Re: [PEDA] Protel vs. DirectCD

2002-08-27 Thread Brian Guralnick

Yes, this was mentioned in one of my earlier posts, though, it was met with a 
healthy dose of skepticism.  I did recommend for
everyone to un-install anything Roxio related and completely switch over to Ahead's 
Nero CD writer software  drivers for the best
system stability.  You could imagine some of the replies that post got, your 
motherboard, something else Win2K related, get the
latest Roxio drivers...  I just don't think Roxio is worth the effort.


Brian Guralnick
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Fax (514) 624-3631


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Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 11:33 AM
Subject: [PEDA] Protel vs. DirectCD


 I've just encountered a problem which essentially crashes my machine (W2K
 P99SE SP6) when I try to run Protel while Roxio's Easy CD Creator v 5.01_E2
 is running. I think it's just a shell for DirectCD; it came bundled with my
 Dell, but is actually just crippleware (lowering my opinion of Dell; they
 promised a CDRW with supporting software, but this comes with ads to buy the
 full software).

 Has anyone else seen this? Is there anything specific I can do to alow
 continuing to at least view schematics in Protel while writing a CD of
 unrelated files?

 Steve Hendrix

 
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Re: [PEDA] Protel vs. DirectCD

2002-08-27 Thread mariusrf

if you Google  rec.video.desktop you will see the vast majority of people
had problems with roxio and switched to ahead nero for cd burning . directcd
and easy cd creator historically had tons of issues with the most diverse pc
configurations .

Matt Tudor , MSEE
http://www.gigahertzelectronics.com

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 11:33 AM
Subject: [PEDA] Protel vs. DirectCD


 I've just encountered a problem which essentially crashes my machine (W2K
 P99SE SP6) when I try to run Protel while Roxio's Easy CD Creator v
5.01_E2
 is running. I think it's just a shell for DirectCD; it came bundled with
my
 Dell, but is actually just crippleware (lowering my opinion of Dell; they
 promised a CDRW with supporting software, but this comes with ads to buy
the
 full software).

 Has anyone else seen this? Is there anything specific I can do to alow
 continuing to at least view schematics in Protel while writing a CD of
 unrelated files?

 Steve Hendrix

 
 * Tracking #: 7B0CD65563C74148BADB5AA58B9D02736C31EF31
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Re: [PEDA] Protel vs. DirectCD

2002-08-27 Thread Tim Hutcheson

Ahead's Nero Burning ROM is absolutely the best.  Hand's down.  No question.
I bought a new drive just to avoid my external USB Predator burner that
doesn't run reliably with my old 350 MHz system, even at 1X burn rate.  I
had to disconnect from the internet, close all apps etc.  So when I got the
new 16X drive, it wasn't compatible with Roxio.  So I got Nero.  It worked
perfectly.  This wouldn't be a very interesting story except that the Ahead
software also runs the old USB burner at full speed (only 4x) with the
internet connected, mail delivery and any other apps running.  They simply
did a very good job of the buffering and background overhead management.
This is why it works so well with the high forground overhead of Protel
99SE.

regards,

Tim Hutcheson
Research Associate
Institute for Human and Machine Cognition
University of West Florida
40 S. Alcaniz St.
Pensacola, FL 32501
USA
805-202-4461

-Original Message-
From: Brian Guralnick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 11:21 AM
To: Protel EDA Forum
Subject: Re: [PEDA] Protel vs. DirectCD


Yes, this was mentioned in one of my earlier posts, though, it was met
with a healthy dose of skepticism.  I did recommend for
everyone to un-install anything Roxio related and completely switch over to
Ahead's Nero CD writer software  drivers for the best
system stability.  You could imagine some of the replies that post got, your
motherboard, something else Win2K related, get the
latest Roxio drivers...  I just don't think Roxio is worth the effort.


Brian Guralnick
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Voice (514) 624-4003
Fax (514) 624-3631


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To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 11:33 AM
Subject: [PEDA] Protel vs. DirectCD


 I've just encountered a problem which essentially crashes my machine (W2K
 P99SE SP6) when I try to run Protel while Roxio's Easy CD Creator v
5.01_E2
 is running. I think it's just a shell for DirectCD; it came bundled with
my
 Dell, but is actually just crippleware (lowering my opinion of Dell; they
 promised a CDRW with supporting software, but this comes with ads to buy
the
 full software).

 Has anyone else seen this? Is there anything specific I can do to alow
 continuing to at least view schematics in Protel while writing a CD of
 unrelated files?

 Steve Hendrix

 
 * Tracking #: 7B0CD65563C74148BADB5AA58B9D02736C31EF31
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Re: [PEDA] Protel vs. DirectCD

2002-08-27 Thread Matt Daggett

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Re: [PEDA] Protel vs. DirectCD

2002-08-27 Thread Dennis Saputelli

it works for me (new roxio)
i have had far less coasters w/ roxio than nero and i find it much
easier to use

but i usually close all other apps while burning and don't do other
tasks at the same time

Dennis Saputelli


mariusrf wrote:
 
 if you Google  rec.video.desktop you will see the vast majority of people
 had problems with roxio and switched to ahead nero for cd burning . directcd
 and easy cd creator historically had tons of issues with the most diverse pc
 configurations .
 
 Matt Tudor , MSEE
 http://www.gigahertzelectronics.com
 
 - Original Message -
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 11:33 AM
 Subject: [PEDA] Protel vs. DirectCD
 
  I've just encountered a problem which essentially crashes my machine (W2K
  P99SE SP6) when I try to run Protel while Roxio's Easy CD Creator v
 5.01_E2
  is running. I think it's just a shell for DirectCD; it came bundled with
 my
  Dell, but is actually just crippleware (lowering my opinion of Dell; they
  promised a CDRW with supporting software, but this comes with ads to buy
 the
  full software).
 
  Has anyone else seen this? Is there anything specific I can do to alow
  continuing to at least view schematics in Protel while writing a CD of
  unrelated files?
 
  Steve Hendrix
 



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Re: [PEDA] Protel vs. DirectCD

2002-08-27 Thread Brad Velander

NERO is reportedly the best but when you have problems, there is 'NO'
support beyond their webpage FAQ sheets. I tried for 3 months to get some
technical assistance from them, after two months of emails I got two emails
in one day and then they never responded again after I replied with my
comments to their questions.

Sincerely,
Brad Velander.

Lead PCB Designer
Norsat International Inc.
Microwave Products
Tel   (604) 292-9089 (direct line)
Fax  (604) 292-9010
email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.norsat.com
Norsat's Microwave Products Division has now achieved ISO 9001:2000
certification 



 -Original Message-
 From: Tim Hutcheson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 9:53 AM
 To: Protel EDA Forum
 Subject: Re: [PEDA] Protel vs. DirectCD
 
 
 Ahead's Nero Burning ROM is absolutely the best.  Hand's 
 down.  No question.
 I bought a new drive just to avoid my external USB Predator 
 burner that
 doesn't run reliably with my old 350 MHz system, even at 1X 
 burn rate.  I
 had to disconnect from the internet, close all apps etc.  So 
 when I got the
 new 16X drive, it wasn't compatible with Roxio.  So I got 
 Nero.  It worked
 perfectly.  This wouldn't be a very interesting story except 
 that the Ahead
 software also runs the old USB burner at full speed (only 4x) with the
 internet connected, mail delivery and any other apps running. 
  They simply
 did a very good job of the buffering and background overhead 
 management.
 This is why it works so well with the high forground overhead 
 of Protel
 99SE.
 
 regards,
 
 Tim Hutcheson
 Research Associate
 Institute for Human and Machine Cognition
 University of West Florida
 40 S. Alcaniz St.
 Pensacola, FL 32501
 USA
 805-202-4461


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Re: [PEDA] Protel vs. DirectCD

2002-08-27 Thread Joel Hammer

while nero is a quality cdrw package... i am running steinberg instant
cd/dvd and instant backup on my machines. 1 = win 98se 1 = win2K neither
of which have problems i can attribute to the cdrw s'ware.

direct cd has caused problems that you would not believe on every system
that i've seen it on. (.ddl issues, .vxd errors(?), ect)

i always try to give both pc's ALL resources while writing a cd... ended up
with too many coasters because of the buffer.

for what it's worth. ~joel

- Original Message -
From: Brian Guralnick [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 11:20 AM
Subject: Re: [PEDA] Protel vs. DirectCD


 Yes, this was mentioned in one of my earlier posts, though, it was met
with a healthy dose of skepticism.  I did recommend for
 everyone to un-install anything Roxio related and completely switch over
to Ahead's Nero CD writer software  drivers for the best
 system stability.  You could imagine some of the replies that post got,
your motherboard, something else Win2K related, get the
 latest Roxio drivers...  I just don't think Roxio is worth the effort.

 
 Brian Guralnick
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Voice (514) 624-4003
 Fax (514) 624-3631


 - Original Message -
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 11:33 AM
 Subject: [PEDA] Protel vs. DirectCD


  I've just encountered a problem which essentially crashes my machine
(W2K
  P99SE SP6) when I try to run Protel while Roxio's Easy CD Creator v
5.01_E2
  is running. I think it's just a shell for DirectCD; it came bundled with
my
  Dell, but is actually just crippleware (lowering my opinion of Dell;
they
  promised a CDRW with supporting software, but this comes with ads to buy
the
  full software).
 
  Has anyone else seen this? Is there anything specific I can do to alow
  continuing to at least view schematics in Protel while writing a CD of
  unrelated files?
 
  Steve Hendrix
 
  
  * Tracking #: 7B0CD65563C74148BADB5AA58B9D02736C31EF31
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Re: [PEDA] Protel vs. DirectCD

2002-08-27 Thread Matt Daggett

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Re: [PEDA] Protel vs. DirectCD

2002-08-27 Thread Tony Karavidas

It may be fast, but it is useable or noticeable in a workstation??
Probably not. I've been watching my harddisk like, and it rarely blinks.
That tell me my system doesn't spend much time chugging on the disk and
therefore why would I pay 3 times as much for SCSI as I would with
ATA100? I just bought an 80GB IBM deskstar drive for $90 to my door.

I looked at the media transfer rate and the sustained rate of a IBM
Ultrastar Ultra160SCSI drive (at 10k RPM) and Deskstar 120 ATA100 drive
(at 7200 RPM) and the rate between the two isn't enough for me to
justify triple the cost. (And the fact you need a controller card that
is roughly another $100.

Ultra160SCSIATA100
Media rate: 373 to 690 Mbits/s  592(max) Mbits/s
Sustained rate: 29 to 57 MB/s   23 to 48MB/s



 -Original Message-
 From: Matt Daggett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
 Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 10:47 AM
 To: Protel EDA Forum
 Subject: Re: [PEDA] Protel vs. DirectCD
 
 
 You should invest in SCSI I/O if you have a lot of throughput 
 problems to cause buffer underruns.  I can defrag a partition 
 while burning from the other without underrun issues and 
 without burnproof.  Most of the problems arise with all IDE 
 based systems that use 100% CPU to burn CDs and MUST use 
 burnproof or else you get a coaster.  With a SCSI based 
 system you'd see about a 1-2% CPU hit while burning.  I have 
 a 200Mhz Pentium Pro machine that I used to use to duplicate 
 CDs that can copy a CD to five burners at 8X at once w/o any 
 underrun issues.  IDE couldn't even dream of that...
 
 I cant really stress enough how important I/O is to system 
 performance independent of CPU and memory size.  A single 
 Ultra160 15K disk will outperform two ATA100 disks in a RIAD 
 0 stripe.  Also when putting a SCSI disk under full 
 throughput stress it doesn't use 100% of the CPU like all IDE 
 based systems.  Not to mention the reliability and increased 
 cache sizes you get with most server-class SCSI disk.  SCSI 
 disks have no where near the high failure rates of IDE disks 
 because you are buying a enterprise solution. Prices have 
 really come down as well.. you can get a 73GB 10k RPM 
 Ultra160 disk for about $320 now...that's really cheap!
 
 Anyhow, back to Protel...
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Dennis Saputelli [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 12:53 PM
 To: Protel EDA Forum
 Subject: Re: [PEDA] Protel vs. DirectCD
 
 
 it works for me (new roxio)
 i have had far less coasters w/ roxio than nero and i find it 
 much easier to use
 
 but i usually close all other apps while burning and don't do 
 other tasks at the same time
 
 Dennis Saputelli
 
 
 mariusrf wrote:
  
  if you Google  rec.video.desktop you will see the vast majority of 
  people had problems with roxio and switched to ahead nero for cd 
  burning .
 directcd
  and easy cd creator historically had tons of issues with the most 
  diverse
 pc
  configurations .
  
  Matt Tudor , MSEE
  http://www.gigahertzelectronics.com
  
  - Original Message -
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 11:33 AM
  Subject: [PEDA] Protel vs. DirectCD
  
   I've just encountered a problem which essentially crashes 
 my machine 
   (W2K P99SE SP6) when I try to run Protel while Roxio's Easy CD 
   Creator v
  5.01_E2
   is running. I think it's just a shell for DirectCD; it 
 came bundled 
   with
  my
   Dell, but is actually just crippleware (lowering my 
 opinion of Dell; 
   they promised a CDRW with supporting software, but this 
 comes with 
   ads to buy
  the
   full software).
  
   Has anyone else seen this? Is there anything specific I can do to 
   alow continuing to at least view schematics in Protel 
 while writing 
   a CD of unrelated files?
  
   Steve Hendrix
  
 
 
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