Re: [PEDA] WinXP, plotter, winline
I guess I am not sure what you are referring to about my incorrect assumption in my last note. If you find a free (legal) solution, post it. is a statement. I'm sure many people would have a use for it. Hi Mark, You certainly jump to incorrect assumptions. I am willing to buy Winline but not from the mfg. Ideally, I am wanting to buy someone's copy that they no longer need. I am not looking for a free version. However, if someone wants to donate theirs, I will accept it. Ros At 03:51 PM 3/1/2002, you wrote: Ros, I think the price of everything is too high, except my own rates!! If you find a free (legal) solution, post it. Mark I am afraid that you have made an incorrect assumption. I do not own Winline. A friend who does have it, brought his machine over and we tried to get my plotter going with that. I still would like to buy a version from someone who no longer needs theirs. I think $200.00 for a single driver is way too high for just a few plots that I want to do occasionally. If the dirver works - and I am still not convinced that it does with XP-, I may just have to bite the bullet and buy it from Winline. Yes, I have considered dedicating a machine just for the plotter using an older version of Windows. I have a lot of machines around here but, I would like the ability to use this on a portable platform for special needs. Thank you for all of your help. Ros At 05:16 AM 2/27/2002, you wrote: Ros, In your original note you said you owned WinLine. I don't understand why you would want to buy mine. If yours is 2.0 like you say, just contact the company and they should be able to upgrade you. If you really don't own the original license for Winline and you only want to make a couple of plots, you may be better off going back to Win 95 on a old PC just to get the plotting done. 95 supports HPGL out of the box. Yes, I still use mine and with no problems I might add. WinLine has been one of my better investments. It just works and I don't spend time even thinking about it except when someone asks how to plot. Hi, Are you still using your version of Winline? If not, would you consider selling it? I am only needing to plot just a few items for a few times so, it is not prudent for me to buy a new plotter or version. Thanks Ros 2.0, I believe. Why? What versions are necessary for XP? Thanks, Ros At 06:35 PM 2/25/2002, you wrote: Ros, Did you check your version of Winline? If so, what is it? * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] WinXP, plotter, winline
Ros, I think the price of everything is too high, except my own rates!! If you find a free (legal) solution, post it. Mark I am afraid that you have made an incorrect assumption. I do not own Winline. A friend who does have it, brought his machine over and we tried to get my plotter going with that. I still would like to buy a version from someone who no longer needs theirs. I think $200.00 for a single driver is way too high for just a few plots that I want to do occasionally. If the dirver works - and I am still not convinced that it does with XP-, I may just have to bite the bullet and buy it from Winline. Yes, I have considered dedicating a machine just for the plotter using an older version of Windows. I have a lot of machines around here but, I would like the ability to use this on a portable platform for special needs. Thank you for all of your help. Ros At 05:16 AM 2/27/2002, you wrote: Ros, In your original note you said you owned WinLine. I don't understand why you would want to buy mine. If yours is 2.0 like you say, just contact the company and they should be able to upgrade you. If you really don't own the original license for Winline and you only want to make a couple of plots, you may be better off going back to Win 95 on a old PC just to get the plotting done. 95 supports HPGL out of the box. Yes, I still use mine and with no problems I might add. WinLine has been one of my better investments. It just works and I don't spend time even thinking about it except when someone asks how to plot. Hi, Are you still using your version of Winline? If not, would you consider selling it? I am only needing to plot just a few items for a few times so, it is not prudent for me to buy a new plotter or version. Thanks Ros 2.0, I believe. Why? What versions are necessary for XP? Thanks, Ros At 06:35 PM 2/25/2002, you wrote: Ros, Did you check your version of Winline? If so, what is it? * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] WinXP, plotter, winline
Hi Mark, You certainly jump to incorrect assumptions. I am willing to buy Winline but not from the mfg. Ideally, I am wanting to buy someone's copy that they no longer need. I am not looking for a free version. However, if someone wants to donate theirs, I will accept it. Ros At 03:51 PM 3/1/2002, you wrote: Ros, I think the price of everything is too high, except my own rates!! If you find a free (legal) solution, post it. Mark I am afraid that you have made an incorrect assumption. I do not own Winline. A friend who does have it, brought his machine over and we tried to get my plotter going with that. I still would like to buy a version from someone who no longer needs theirs. I think $200.00 for a single driver is way too high for just a few plots that I want to do occasionally. If the dirver works - and I am still not convinced that it does with XP-, I may just have to bite the bullet and buy it from Winline. Yes, I have considered dedicating a machine just for the plotter using an older version of Windows. I have a lot of machines around here but, I would like the ability to use this on a portable platform for special needs. Thank you for all of your help. Ros At 05:16 AM 2/27/2002, you wrote: Ros, In your original note you said you owned WinLine. I don't understand why you would want to buy mine. If yours is 2.0 like you say, just contact the company and they should be able to upgrade you. If you really don't own the original license for Winline and you only want to make a couple of plots, you may be better off going back to Win 95 on a old PC just to get the plotting done. 95 supports HPGL out of the box. Yes, I still use mine and with no problems I might add. WinLine has been one of my better investments. It just works and I don't spend time even thinking about it except when someone asks how to plot. Hi, Are you still using your version of Winline? If not, would you consider selling it? I am only needing to plot just a few items for a few times so, it is not prudent for me to buy a new plotter or version. Thanks Ros 2.0, I believe. Why? What versions are necessary for XP? Thanks, Ros At 06:35 PM 2/25/2002, you wrote: Ros, Did you check your version of Winline? If so, what is it? * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] WinXP, plotter, winline
Ros, In your original note you said you owned WinLine. I don't understand why you would want to buy mine. If yours is 2.0 like you say, just contact the company and they should be able to upgrade you. If you really don't own the original license for Winline and you only want to make a couple of plots, you may be better off going back to Win 95 on a old PC just to get the plotting done. 95 supports HPGL out of the box. Yes, I still use mine and with no problems I might add. WinLine has been one of my better investments. It just works and I don't spend time even thinking about it except when someone asks how to plot. Hi, Are you still using your version of Winline? If not, would you consider selling it? I am only needing to plot just a few items for a few times so, it is not prudent for me to buy a new plotter or version. Thanks Ros 2.0, I believe. Why? What versions are necessary for XP? Thanks, Ros At 06:35 PM 2/25/2002, you wrote: Ros, Did you check your version of Winline? If so, what is it? * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] WinXP, plotter, winline
I am afraid that you have made an incorrect assumption. I do not own Winline. A friend who does have it, brought his machine over and we tried to get my plotter going with that. I still would like to buy a version from someone who no longer needs theirs. I think $200.00 for a single driver is way too high for just a few plots that I want to do occasionally. If the dirver works - and I am still not convinced that it does with XP-, I may just have to bite the bullet and buy it from Winline. Yes, I have considered dedicating a machine just for the plotter using an older version of Windows. I have a lot of machines around here but, I would like the ability to use this on a portable platform for special needs. Thank you for all of your help. Ros At 05:16 AM 2/27/2002, you wrote: Ros, In your original note you said you owned WinLine. I don't understand why you would want to buy mine. If yours is 2.0 like you say, just contact the company and they should be able to upgrade you. If you really don't own the original license for Winline and you only want to make a couple of plots, you may be better off going back to Win 95 on a old PC just to get the plotting done. 95 supports HPGL out of the box. Yes, I still use mine and with no problems I might add. WinLine has been one of my better investments. It just works and I don't spend time even thinking about it except when someone asks how to plot. Hi, Are you still using your version of Winline? If not, would you consider selling it? I am only needing to plot just a few items for a few times so, it is not prudent for me to buy a new plotter or version. Thanks Ros 2.0, I believe. Why? What versions are necessary for XP? Thanks, Ros At 06:35 PM 2/25/2002, you wrote: Ros, Did you check your version of Winline? If so, what is it? * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] WinXP, plotter, winline
My version of 2.03.0524 was released as 2000 came out. Have you contacted them about a new version for XP? 2.0, I believe. Why? What versions are necessary for XP? Thanks, Ros At 06:35 PM 2/25/2002, you wrote: Ros, Did you check your version of Winline? If so, what is it? * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] WinXP, plotter, winline
Ros wrote: Hi folks, I am having an ongoing problem trying to send a Protel99SE schematic document out to an HP Draftmaster One plotter. Since the drivers are not inherent in XP, it requires one to utilize a third-party driver and it comes from winline.com I have added the plotter through adding a new printer to XP. I have all of the handshaking set correctly. I can even send a test plot (non-Protel) through a dos shell or command prompt and it plots beautifully. I can take the schematic document and send it to a laser printer and it prints perfectly although very small. I can get the schematic to plot but it is far, far from complete. Should I be exporting the Protel schematic document to a file, instead? If so, what format? Here is how I try to plot my schematic: I say print, it goes to print or print set-up, I select the Draftmaster plotter that I had added through Control Panel and it begins and plots but, as I said, it is far from useable. I am stumped. Any help will be most appreciated. I have not tried pen plotting a schematic. A one-color laser prited output is fine for me. I do some things to manipulate the schematic so it prints out the way I want it. Generally, I run B sheets to A size laser printer paper, and it is quite readable either with 300 or 600 DPI printers. A C sheet is also readable, but that is pushing it a bit. If you need larger than C sheets, you can print them to multiple pages instead of using the fit to page option. We only have PostScript laser printers here by choice. This is not specifically for Protel, but Protel prints are better, generally, in PostScript, too. Schematics have some filled areas that may not translate properly to pen plotter output. What, specifically, were the problems in making the pen plotter output? If the component or sheet objects are missing, I'll bet that is the problem. You might be able to fix it by changing the color of these objects, but the driver might be forced to fill the object by drawing the whole interior with parallel lines. This usually tears the paper after it becomes soaked. Jon * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] WinXP, plotter, winline
Hi Harry, Thanks for some good ideas. Unfortunately, everything looks good in setup printer properties. One outline or rectange dip body did print but it is a component that I designed and I cannot find any different settings for it as opposed to the other standard stuff. I just don't know. Dwight Harm suggested using notepad to send a text file to the plotter. I did. It will send it (winxp says) but nothing happens other than the plotter awakening. Tomorrow, I am going to send it another notepad text file and wait for a good amount of time just in case it is using an abacus to compute the coordinates. Ros At 12:43 AM 2/24/2002, you wrote: It has been a while since I had to worry about HPGL printer setup, but I recall having to define pen colors and line widths for the plotter output. Is it possible that you have failed to define the pens for HPGL that correspond to the color and line width? It may not be plotting because the pen for the color as used on a component outline is white and/or the plotter driver line width is set so small that only the widest lines in the schematic are plotting (or some other combination of the above). At 11:45 PM 2/23/02 -0600, you wrote: Well, no part types- (74HC04, etc), part body outlines (rectangles in the instances of dips), net labels, part designators (U1, U2, etc.), pin numbers, pin names missing components, missing components. So, you can see just how un-useable that the plot is. It is worthless. I really don't know what is wrong. I really could use some help with this. Thank you. Ros snip * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] WinXP, plotter, winline
Hi Dwight, I have played with some settings for the laser printer and have managed to get it a little bigger. I may have to bite the bullet and go several levels deep and print multiple pages. I didn't want to do that and that is why I got the plotter. Your suggestion to send the plotter a text file from notepad is a good one and winxp says that it sent the file but nothing happens. How high is up? What color is blue? Ros sAt 04:26 AM 2/24/2002, you wrote: Would it help to solve the laser print problem? If so, here are some ideas: In page setup, have you tried 'fit to page', or setting explicit scaling? Is reasonable paper size/orientation selected? Re plotter, do other Windows apps print to it ok? E.g., try printing a bit of text from notepad. -Original Message- From: Ros [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 6:26 PM I am having an ongoing problem trying to send a Protel99SE schematic document out to an HP Draftmaster One plotter. snip I can take the schematic document and send it to a laser printer and it prints perfectly although very small. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] WinXP, plotter, winline
Ros, Did you check your version of Winline? If so, what is it? * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] WinXP, plotter, winline
Hi Jon, Thanks for your reply. I have answered your questions in a previous post of which you may not have seen. The problem occurs whether plotting in color or monochrome. Ros At 01:37 PM 2/25/2002, you wrote: Ros wrote: Hi folks, I am having an ongoing problem trying to send a Protel99SE schematic document out to an HP Draftmaster One plotter. Since the drivers are not inherent in XP, it requires one to utilize a third-party driver and it comes from winline.com I have added the plotter through adding a new printer to XP. I have all of the handshaking set correctly. I can even send a test plot (non-Protel) through a dos shell or command prompt and it plots beautifully. I can take the schematic document and send it to a laser printer and it prints perfectly although very small. I can get the schematic to plot but it is far, far from complete. Should I be exporting the Protel schematic document to a file, instead? If so, what format? Here is how I try to plot my schematic: I say print, it goes to print or print set-up, I select the Draftmaster plotter that I had added through Control Panel and it begins and plots but, as I said, it is far from useable. I am stumped. Any help will be most appreciated. I have not tried pen plotting a schematic. A one-color laser prited output is fine for me. I do some things to manipulate the schematic so it prints out the way I want it. Generally, I run B sheets to A size laser printer paper, and it is quite readable either with 300 or 600 DPI printers. A C sheet is also readable, but that is pushing it a bit. If you need larger than C sheets, you can print them to multiple pages instead of using the fit to page option. We only have PostScript laser printers here by choice. This is not specifically for Protel, but Protel prints are better, generally, in PostScript, too. Schematics have some filled areas that may not translate properly to pen plotter output. What, specifically, were the problems in making the pen plotter output? If the component or sheet objects are missing, I'll bet that is the problem. You might be able to fix it by changing the color of these objects, but the driver might be forced to fill the object by drawing the whole interior with parallel lines. This usually tears the paper after it becomes soaked. Jon * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] WinXP, plotter, winline
2.0, I believe. Why? What versions are necessary for XP? Thanks, Ros At 06:35 PM 2/25/2002, you wrote: Ros, Did you check your version of Winline? If so, what is it? * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] WinXP, plotter, winline
Would it help to solve the laser print problem? If so, here are some ideas: In page setup, have you tried 'fit to page', or setting explicit scaling? Is reasonable paper size/orientation selected? Re plotter, do other Windows apps print to it ok? E.g., try printing a bit of text from notepad. -Original Message- From: Ros [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 6:26 PM I am having an ongoing problem trying to send a Protel99SE schematic document out to an HP Draftmaster One plotter. snip I can take the schematic document and send it to a laser printer and it prints perfectly although very small. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] WinXP, plotter, winline
It has been a while since I had to worry about HPGL printer setup, but I recall having to define pen colors and line widths for the plotter output. Is it possible that you have failed to define the pens for HPGL that correspond to the color and line width? It may not be plotting because the pen for the color as used on a component outline is white and/or the plotter driver line width is set so small that only the widest lines in the schematic are plotting (or some other combination of the above). At 11:45 PM 2/23/02 -0600, you wrote: Well, no part types- (74HC04, etc), part body outlines (rectangles in the instances of dips), net labels, part designators (U1, U2, etc.), pin numbers, pin names missing components, missing components. So, you can see just how un-useable that the plot is. It is worthless. I really don't know what is wrong. I really could use some help with this. Thank you. Ros snip * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] WinXP, plotter, winline
You never mention exactly what the problem is. You say it starts to plot but it's far from useable. What does this mean? Anyway, I am using WinLine with Protel99SE and the older 16-bit versions on Windows 2000 Pro. I had a problem with Winline working with Protel99SE when SE first came out. I upgraded the Winline (now running version 2.03.0524) a while back and have not seen any problems. Strange also because I had been using Winline with the 16-bit version of Protel and other software without problems (Under NT 4.0 back then). I was only seeing the problems with 99SE. I remember looking at the plot files and finding what command hung the driver, but this has been a few years. Please send all responses to the following address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use http://www.pgp.com iQA/AwUAOr2gRcg7e58wctt6EQLy5ACghqr8dTZj/+LgybS+TDYB/nDSlRwAmgN2 PybNyfxUgoTf5bog1FXME4kQ =9EjO -END PGP SIGNATURE- - Original Message - From: Ros [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 9:25 PM Subject: [PEDA] WinXP, plotter, winline Hi folks, I am having an ongoing problem trying to send a Protel99SE schematic document out to an HP Draftmaster One plotter. Since the drivers are not inherent in XP, it requires one to utilize a third-party driver and it comes from winline.com I have added the plotter through adding a new printer to XP. I have all of the handshaking set correctly. I can even send a test plot (non-Protel) through a dos shell or command prompt and it plots beautifully. I can take the schematic document and send it to a laser printer and it prints perfectly although very small. I can get the schematic to plot but it is far, far from complete. Should I be exporting the Protel schematic document to a file, instead? If so, what format? Here is how I try to plot my schematic: I say print, it goes to print or print set-up, I select the Draftmaster plotter that I had added through Control Panel and it begins and plots but, as I said, it is far from useable. I am stumped. Any help will be most appreciated. Thanks Ros * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
