Re: [PEDA] silver thru hole

2002-05-15 Thread Dennis Saputelli

thanks for the answer, i didn't know about this stuff
(they did say for 2-sided)

it doesn't sound like you can or would solder to these
if that is correct then you would have to add a via to any through hole
parts that have a top side connection, right?

now that i think about this sounds like the 'thru plate' the guys who
make the mechanical proto milling machines hawk

Dennis Saputelli

Brad Velander wrote:
 
 Dennis,
 the silver via through hole that they mention is the silver epoxy
 ink via process. They mask the vias one side, feed in silver epoxy ink, mask
 the topside and cure it. It is an inexpensive plating process for 2 sided
 PCBs. It is also the only reliable through hole process for cheap CEM1 and
 Phenolic type laminate materials because they cannot be typically
 electroplated or can't be electroplated reliably.
 
 I would have to doubt that the silver via through hole process is
 used for any multilayer assemblies if that is what you were reading into the
 brochures.
 
 As for cost savings, they save costs by using the cheaper laminates,
 punching holes instead of drilling. The 20 - 30% savings is probably a
 little on the conservative side because the laminates are that much cheaper
 then FR4. The additional savings would typically be from punching holes. The
 silver via process itself is not that much cheaper then electroplating, you
 save on the laminate and the punching costs.
 
 Sincerely,
 Brad Velander.
 
 Lead PCB Designer
 Norsat International Inc.
 Microwave Products
 Tel   (604) 292-9089 (direct line)
 Fax  (604) 292-9010
 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 http://www.norsat.com
 
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  -Original Message-
  From: Dennis Saputelli [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 1:34 PM
  To: Protel EDA Forum
  Subject: Re: [PEDA] silver thru hole
 
 
  just got a paper glossy brochure from a (volume) bd shop in korea
 
  they are promoting something called 'silver through hole'
 
  to quote (sic)
  
  We recommend Silver Through Hole PCBs for the cost savings and serve
  customers with design change.
  -Cost reduction by 20-30% compared with FR-4 double sided PTH
  -Shorter delivery time
  -Stable quality specially in bow and twist
  
 
  anybody hear of Silver Through Hole or know what it is?
  is it done onshore state side?
 
  i have heard that the biggest bottleneck is plating time, maybe this
  addresses that somehow
 
  BTW, they also claim multilayer capacity of 20Km2/ month !
 
  Dennis Saputelli

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Re: [PEDA] silver thru hole

2002-05-15 Thread Brad Velander

Dennis,
you got it! It is the same or at least similar process to that used
by some prototype systems. As for the soldering it takes some thought to do
your layout with all solder connections on the bottom side. Similar to
single-sided design but with the ability to go 2 sided after you leave the
component pad. The other method that is similar is the old throughhole
rivets that have all but completely disappeared ( I was using these in a few
designs until approx. 1997, cheap cheap cheap consumer junk , i.e.
disposable).

Sincerely,
Brad Velander.

Lead PCB Designer
Norsat International Inc.
Microwave Products
Tel   (604) 292-9089 (direct line)
Fax  (604) 292-9010
email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.norsat.com

Visit us at Booth 2G2-09 at CommunicAsia 2002 in Singapore June 18-21.



 -Original Message-
 From: Dennis Saputelli [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 2:38 PM
 To: Protel EDA Forum
 Subject: Re: [PEDA] silver thru hole
 
 
 thanks for the answer, i didn't know about this stuff
 (they did say for 2-sided)
 
 it doesn't sound like you can or would solder to these
 if that is correct then you would have to add a via to any 
 through hole
 parts that have a top side connection, right?
 
 now that i think about this sounds like the 'thru plate' the guys who
 make the mechanical proto milling machines hawk
 
 Dennis Saputelli
 

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