[Prototype-core] Re: Kudos to the documentation team

2010-04-08 Thread T.J. Crowder
 Yes, but we're moving away from it.

So a JavaScript solution would work now, and later (since I assume
you're moving from Mephisto to something else that *also* supports
JavaScript). If 301s work later, great, but if not there's a fallback
position.

A script included on each old API page that reads the current location
and figures out the new URL and inserts a prominent This info is old,
go look here instead box at the top (worded perhaps *slightly* more
carefully) sounds like a half-day project to do right. (It sounds like
an hour-long project, but you know it gets more complex and you get
into ito.) I have a half-day I can give it at the end of the month,
but not sooner, if that would be useful.

-- T.J.

On Apr 7, 3:04 pm, Tobie Langel tobie.lan...@gmail.com wrote:
  Can we use JavaScript on Mephisto pages?

  -- T.J.

 Yes, but we're moving away from it.

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[Prototype-core] Re: Kudos to the documentation team

2010-04-08 Thread Tobie Langel
You're help would be really welcomed, TJ.

We're moving to github pages as it makes contributing to the website
the same process as contributing code or documentation.

I've started the project already: porting the whole blog archives to
jekyllrb and disqus comments (preserving all past comments in the
process).

Your help is as usual, most welcomed, especially since I'm hoping to
merge parts/whole of your unofficial wiki content into it in the long
run (and if it's ok with you, of course).

Best,

Tobie

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[Prototype-core] Re: Kudos to the documentation team

2010-04-08 Thread Tobie Langel
Oh, the repo is here: http://github.com/sstephenson/prototype/tree/gh-pages

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Re: [Prototype-core] Re: Kudos to the documentation team

2010-04-08 Thread Mislav Marohnić
How about we create a prototypejs GitHub user and have the site at:
prototypejs.github.com?

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[Prototype-core] Re: Kudos to the documentation team

2010-04-08 Thread Tobie Langel
 How about we create a prototypejs GitHub user and have the site at:
 prototypejs.github.com?

We'll be using prototypejs.org directly. It's supported by Github.

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[Prototype-core] Re: Kudos to the documentation team

2010-04-08 Thread Tobie Langel

 Enh, it's not going to take long, I'll go do that now.

Awesome.

I don't know if you're familiar with jekyll[1], but his sports built-
in templating and markdown/textile parsers.

Best,

Tobie

[1] http://jekyllrb.com/

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[Prototype-core] Re: Kudos to the documentation team

2010-04-08 Thread T.J. Crowder
 ...I've written an HTML to
 Markdown parser:http://github.com/mislav/remark

Oh, I just know that could be very handy indeed...

-- T.J. :-)

On Apr 8, 2:51 pm, Mislav Marohnić mislav.maroh...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 15:11, Tobie Langel tobie.lan...@gmail.com wrote:

  We'll be using prototypejs.org directly. It's supported by Github.

 I see. In that case, you have to ensure that old URLs are preserved. Once
 you're on GitHub, there will never be a chance to do 301 redirects.

 If you need help porting content, contact me. I've written an HTML to
 Markdown parser:http://github.com/mislav/remark
 I've used it to port my own blog to Jekyll once I've lost the original
 markdown sources.

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[Prototype-core] Re: Kudos to the documentation team

2010-04-08 Thread Tobie Langel
 I see. In that case, you have to ensure that old URLs are preserved. Once
 you're on GitHub, there will never be a chance to do 301 redirects.

Are you suggesting we move the new documentation elsewhere
(prototypejs.org/doc) for example and keep the old, 1.5 doc structure
on prototypejs.org/api but replace the content with a link to the new
documentation or maybe an HTML refresh?

Isn't that just a glorified 404?

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[Prototype-core] Re: Kudos to the documentation team

2010-04-07 Thread Clint Priest
If you're on a PC you can adjust your wheel-scroll settings in Control
Panel - Mouse - Wheel.  I think the default is 3 and I usually
adjust mine up as well.

On Apr 6, 7:15 am, joe t. thooke...@gmail.com wrote:
 +1 for the scrolling. The navigation between documentation links has
 much improved, but the navigation panel still has issues. The wheel-
 scroll is painfully slow. Even clicking in the scroll bar doesn't work
 as expected. When you click a position in the scroll bar, usually it
 jumps to where you clicked.

 Otherwise, the documentation itself is phenomenal, and thanks to all!
 -joe t.

 On Apr 5, 5:19 pm, Joost joost.van.do...@gmail.com wrote:

  I have the same problem, because I like to use google to search for
  stuff in the documentation but I end up on the old one. Also I think
  the mouse wheel scrolling in the menu onhttp://api.prototypejs.orgis
  way too slow and should be fixed (it takes 10 seconds for me to scroll
  down with the mouse wheel..).

  Good work on the improved docs though.

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Re: [Prototype-core] Re: Kudos to the documentation team

2010-04-07 Thread toxcct
A HTTP 301 seems a better solution as it stands for Permanently redirected
to a given URL...

the header should look like :

HTTP/1.1 301 Moved Permanently

Location: http://www.newurl.com/



2010/4/6 Tobie Langel tobie.lan...@gmail.com

 A practical solution would be a well designed 404.

 We could get pdoc to generate it with a search field, etc.

 We could also try JS redirection.

 Anyone wants to give it a shot?

 Best,

 Tobie

 On Apr 6, 8:42 am, T.J. Crowder t...@crowdersoftware.com wrote:
   My coworkers still find old docs (http://prototypejs.org/api) by
 googling. I
   had to point them to new doc site. I think it's crucial to set up 301
   redirects.
 
  *ONLY* if all of the old information has now been ported over. Looking
  at the documentation Lighthouse project[1], it looks like all of the
  old merge/update tickets have been closed (yay!), which may mean
  exactly that, someone from the docs team can presumably confirm that.
 
  Once we're ready, 301s that live in those locations for a long, long
  time are indeed appropriate. Or if 301s are hard in Mephisto,
  replacing each of the API documentation articles with a link to the
  new one.
 
  [1]
 https://prototype.lighthouseapp.com/projects/42103-prototype-document...
 
  -- T.J.
 
  On Apr 5, 3:30 pm, Mislav Marohnić mislav.maroh...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 
 
   On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 11:48, Johan Arensman johanm...@gmail.com
 wrote:
Wow! I didn't even realise they were updated until I read this
 message.
Very nice work indeed!
 
   My coworkers still find old docs (http://prototypejs.org/api) by
 googling. I
   had to point them to new doc site. I think it's crucial to set up 301
   redirects.

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Re: [Prototype-core] Re: Kudos to the documentation team

2010-04-07 Thread toxcct
BTW, if the .htaccess file is not accessible or cannot be updated, it is
still possible to redirect from the server-side language used (header() for
instance with php)...


2010/4/6 Robert Kieffer bro...@gmail.com

 Urm... really?  You can do 404's but not 301's?

 Not saying I don't believe you, I'm just surprised that a project as mature
 as prototype is hosted in an environment that doesn't support basic
 .htaccess-style configuration.

 On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 6:12 AM, Tobie Langel tobie.lan...@gmail.comwrote:

 Robert, that would be great. We unfortunately don't have this level of
 access to the server.

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[Prototype-core] Re: Kudos to the documentation team

2010-04-07 Thread T.J. Crowder
Tobie,

Can we use JavaScript on Mephisto pages?

-- T.J.

On Apr 6, 6:49 pm, Tobie Langel tobie.lan...@gmail.com wrote:
  Urm... really?  You can do 404's but not 301's?

 I was suggesting crating a good 404 page. Not modifying the http
 response code.

  Not saying I don't believe you, I'm just surprised that a project as mature
  as prototype is hosted in an environment that doesn't support basic
  .htaccess-style configuration.

 There's historical reasons to this. We're in the process of migrating,
 though (not that this will change much in terms of low-level access).

 Best,

 Tobie

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[Prototype-core] Re: Kudos to the documentation team

2010-04-07 Thread joe t.
Agreed, and it appears to be specific to Firefox. However, i can't
recall any other circumstances (iframe, CSS overflow, etc) where the
scroll bar behaves differently. The new API page is the only time i've
seen this behavior. Peculiar.

Oh well, it's hardly the end of the world. :)
-joe t.


On Apr 6, 8:31 am, Mislav Marohnić mislav.maroh...@gmail.com wrote:
 The scroll bar is native to the browser, meaning it's the same as in a
 regular window, iframe or frameset. The navigation panel should scroll with
 same methods and speed as every window in your browser.On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 
 14:15, joe t. thooke...@gmail.com wrote:
  +1 for the scrolling. The navigation between documentation links has
  much improved, but the navigation panel still has issues. The wheel-
  scroll is painfully slow. Even clicking in the scroll bar doesn't work
  as expected. When you click a position in the scroll bar, usually it
  jumps to where you clicked.

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[Prototype-core] Re: Kudos to the documentation team

2010-04-07 Thread Tobie Langel
 Can we use JavaScript on Mephisto pages?

 -- T.J.


Yes, but we're moving away from it.

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[Prototype-core] Re: Kudos to the documentation team

2010-04-06 Thread Joost
I have the same problem, because I like to use google to search for
stuff in the documentation but I end up on the old one. Also I think
the mouse wheel scrolling in the menu on http://api.prototypejs.org is
way too slow and should be fixed (it takes 10 seconds for me to scroll
down with the mouse wheel..).

Good work on the improved docs though.

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[Prototype-core] Re: Kudos to the documentation team

2010-04-06 Thread T.J. Crowder
 My coworkers still find old docs (http://prototypejs.org/api) by googling. I
 had to point them to new doc site. I think it's crucial to set up 301
 redirects.

*ONLY* if all of the old information has now been ported over. Looking
at the documentation Lighthouse project[1], it looks like all of the
old merge/update tickets have been closed (yay!), which may mean
exactly that, someone from the docs team can presumably confirm that.

Once we're ready, 301s that live in those locations for a long, long
time are indeed appropriate. Or if 301s are hard in Mephisto,
replacing each of the API documentation articles with a link to the
new one.

[1] 
https://prototype.lighthouseapp.com/projects/42103-prototype-documentation/overview

-- T.J.

On Apr 5, 3:30 pm, Mislav Marohnić mislav.maroh...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 11:48, Johan Arensman johanm...@gmail.com wrote:
  Wow! I didn't even realise they were updated until I read this message.
  Very nice work indeed!

 My coworkers still find old docs (http://prototypejs.org/api) by googling. I
 had to point them to new doc site. I think it's crucial to set up 301
 redirects.

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[Prototype-core] Re: Kudos to the documentation team

2010-04-06 Thread Tobie Langel
A practical solution would be a well designed 404.

We could get pdoc to generate it with a search field, etc.

We could also try JS redirection.

Anyone wants to give it a shot?

Best,

Tobie

On Apr 6, 8:42 am, T.J. Crowder t...@crowdersoftware.com wrote:
  My coworkers still find old docs (http://prototypejs.org/api) by googling. I
  had to point them to new doc site. I think it's crucial to set up 301
  redirects.

 *ONLY* if all of the old information has now been ported over. Looking
 at the documentation Lighthouse project[1], it looks like all of the
 old merge/update tickets have been closed (yay!), which may mean
 exactly that, someone from the docs team can presumably confirm that.

 Once we're ready, 301s that live in those locations for a long, long
 time are indeed appropriate. Or if 301s are hard in Mephisto,
 replacing each of the API documentation articles with a link to the
 new one.

 [1]https://prototype.lighthouseapp.com/projects/42103-prototype-document...

 -- T.J.

 On Apr 5, 3:30 pm, Mislav Marohnić mislav.maroh...@gmail.com wrote:



  On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 11:48, Johan Arensman johanm...@gmail.com wrote:
   Wow! I didn't even realise they were updated until I read this message.
   Very nice work indeed!

  My coworkers still find old docs (http://prototypejs.org/api) by googling. I
  had to point them to new doc site. I think it's crucial to set up 301
  redirects.

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Re: [Prototype-core] Re: Kudos to the documentation team

2010-04-06 Thread Mislav Marohnić
On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 11:00, Tobie Langel tobie.lan...@gmail.com wrote:


 We could also try JS redirection.


It would partially solve the problem, but old pages would still remain in
Google index for too long a time. We should get access to the server level
and set up rewrite rules or similar.

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Re: [Prototype-core] Re: Kudos to the documentation team

2010-04-06 Thread Robert Kieffer
I disagree.  404'ing the old docs is not the correct action.  404 means not
found, but the user is requesting a page that he (and you) know exists...
it's just not at that location any more.  Thus, a redirect is the way to go.
 I'd suggest the following

- Move the old docs somewhere they're still available, but under a different
URL.
- 301 (or 302) redirect old URLs to the new documentation as appropriate
- In the new documentation, provide a old API docs link to wherever you
moved the old docs to, so people can still get to them if they need to.
- Set up robots.txt file to tell search engines to ignore the old docs

- rwk

On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 2:00 AM, Tobie Langel tobie.lan...@gmail.com wrote:

 A practical solution would be a well designed 404.

 We could get pdoc to generate it with a search field, etc.

 We could also try JS redirection.

 Anyone wants to give it a shot?

 Best,

 Tobie

 On Apr 6, 8:42 am, T.J. Crowder t...@crowdersoftware.com wrote:
   My coworkers still find old docs (http://prototypejs.org/api) by
 googling. I
   had to point them to new doc site. I think it's crucial to set up 301
   redirects.
 
  *ONLY* if all of the old information has now been ported over. Looking
  at the documentation Lighthouse project[1], it looks like all of the
  old merge/update tickets have been closed (yay!), which may mean
  exactly that, someone from the docs team can presumably confirm that.
 
  Once we're ready, 301s that live in those locations for a long, long
  time are indeed appropriate. Or if 301s are hard in Mephisto,
  replacing each of the API documentation articles with a link to the
  new one.
 
  [1]
 https://prototype.lighthouseapp.com/projects/42103-prototype-document...
 
  -- T.J.
 
  On Apr 5, 3:30 pm, Mislav Marohnić mislav.maroh...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 
 
   On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 11:48, Johan Arensman johanm...@gmail.com
 wrote:
Wow! I didn't even realise they were updated until I read this
 message.
Very nice work indeed!
 
   My coworkers still find old docs (http://prototypejs.org/api) by
 googling. I
   had to point them to new doc site. I think it's crucial to set up 301
   redirects.

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[Prototype-core] Re: Kudos to the documentation team

2010-04-06 Thread joe t.
+1 for the scrolling. The navigation between documentation links has
much improved, but the navigation panel still has issues. The wheel-
scroll is painfully slow. Even clicking in the scroll bar doesn't work
as expected. When you click a position in the scroll bar, usually it
jumps to where you clicked.

Otherwise, the documentation itself is phenomenal, and thanks to all!
-joe t.


On Apr 5, 5:19 pm, Joost joost.van.do...@gmail.com wrote:
 I have the same problem, because I like to use google to search for
 stuff in the documentation but I end up on the old one. Also I think
 the mouse wheel scrolling in the menu onhttp://api.prototypejs.orgis
 way too slow and should be fixed (it takes 10 seconds for me to scroll
 down with the mouse wheel..).

 Good work on the improved docs though.

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Re: [Prototype-core] Re: Kudos to the documentation team

2010-04-06 Thread Mislav Marohnić
The scroll bar is native to the browser, meaning it's the same as in a
regular window, iframe or frameset. The navigation panel should scroll with
same methods and speed as every window in your browser.


On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 14:15, joe t. thooke...@gmail.com wrote:

 +1 for the scrolling. The navigation between documentation links has
 much improved, but the navigation panel still has issues. The wheel-
 scroll is painfully slow. Even clicking in the scroll bar doesn't work
 as expected. When you click a position in the scroll bar, usually it
 jumps to where you clicked.

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[Prototype-core] Re: Kudos to the documentation team

2010-04-06 Thread Tobie Langel
Robert, that would be great. We unfortunately don't have this level of
access to the server.

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Re: [Prototype-core] Re: Kudos to the documentation team

2010-04-06 Thread Robert Kieffer
Urm... really?  You can do 404's but not 301's?

Not saying I don't believe you, I'm just surprised that a project as mature
as prototype is hosted in an environment that doesn't support basic
.htaccess-style configuration.

On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 6:12 AM, Tobie Langel tobie.lan...@gmail.com wrote:

 Robert, that would be great. We unfortunately don't have this level of
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[Prototype-core] Re: Kudos to the documentation team

2010-04-06 Thread Tobie Langel

 Urm... really?  You can do 404's but not 301's?

I was suggesting crating a good 404 page. Not modifying the http
response code.

 Not saying I don't believe you, I'm just surprised that a project as mature
 as prototype is hosted in an environment that doesn't support basic
 .htaccess-style configuration.

There's historical reasons to this. We're in the process of migrating,
though (not that this will change much in terms of low-level access).

Best,

Tobie

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Re: [Prototype-core] Re: Kudos to the documentation team

2010-04-05 Thread Johan Arensman
Wow! I didn't even realise they were updated until I read this message. Very
nice work indeed!

On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 2:56 PM, Clint Priest cpri...@warpmail.net wrote:

 I would definitely second that, great work!

 On Apr 3, 1:32 am, T.J. Crowder t...@crowdersoftware.com wrote:
  The new docs Andrew pushed yesterday are a HUGE leap forward! Well
  done to everyone who contributed to both the content and the improved
  linkability and such. Major kudos!
 
  -- T.J. :-)

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Re: [Prototype-core] Re: Kudos to the documentation team

2010-04-05 Thread Mislav Marohnić
On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 11:48, Johan Arensman johanm...@gmail.com wrote:

 Wow! I didn't even realise they were updated until I read this message.
 Very nice work indeed!


My coworkers still find old docs (http://prototypejs.org/api) by googling. I
had to point them to new doc site. I think it's crucial to set up 301
redirects.

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[Prototype-core] Re: Kudos to the documentation team

2010-04-03 Thread Clint Priest
I would definitely second that, great work!

On Apr 3, 1:32 am, T.J. Crowder t...@crowdersoftware.com wrote:
 The new docs Andrew pushed yesterday are a HUGE leap forward! Well
 done to everyone who contributed to both the content and the improved
 linkability and such. Major kudos!

 -- T.J. :-)

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