Re: [PSL-BA] man pages

2005-12-22 Por tôpico Aurélio A . Heckert
... e então Raul disse:
Mas é que se agora
 Pra fazer sucesso, pra vender disco de protesto
 Todo mundo tem que reclamar...
Em resumo:
Talk is cheap show me the code Linus (que fez um trocinho...)

Instrumentalista? Não teria se confundido com artista? :-p

Hasta!
 Aurium - que gosta de convergir pq isso é in na contemporaneidade

On 12/22/05, Felipe Lobo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Também são, mas posso opinar menos sobre esses (ou
  quase nada), o que esse pessoal aqui tá precisando é
  conhecer um pouco mais sobre outras formas de
  pensamento, que devem convergir em alguns pontos,
  não
  em todos. E talvez seja importante uma visão menos
  instrumentalista.
 
  Abraços, e vão ler outra coisa além de man pages
  (vê
  se não levam isso ao pé da letra).
 
  --- paduamelo [EMAIL PROTECTED] escreveu:
 
   Genial e denso mesmo é isso aqui, escrito mais de
   150 anos antes de qualquer debate sobre trabalho
   imaterial, sobre conhecimento como mercadoria,
  sobre
   ciência como força produtiva (Habermas). sobre
   capitalismo informacional (e suas contradições
   insolúveis!)...
  
   The exchange of living labour for objectified
  labour
   – i.e. the positing of social labour in the form
  of
   the contradiction of capital and wage labour – is
   the ultimate development of the value-relation and
   of production resting on value. Its presupposition
   is – and remains – the mass of direct labour time,
   the quantity of labour employed, as the
  determinant
   factor in the production of wealth. But to the
   degree that large industry develops, the creation
  of
   real wealth comes to depend less on labour time
  and
   on the amount of labour employed than on the power
   of the agencies set in motion during labour time,
   whose 'powerful effectiveness' is   itself in turn
   out of all proportion to the direct labour time
   spent on their production, but depends rather on
  the
   general state of science and on the progress of
   technology, or the application of this science to
   production. (The development of this science,
   especially natural science, and all others with
  the
   latter, is itself in turn related to the
  development
   of material production.) Agriculture, e.g.,
  becomes
   merely the application of the science of material
   metabolism, its regulation for the greatest
   advantage of the entire body of society. Real
  wealth
   manifests itself, rather – and large industry
   reveals this – in the monstrous disproportion
   between the labour time applied, and its product,
  as
   well as in the qualitative imbalance between
  labour,
   reduced to a pure abstraction, and the power of
  the
   production process it superintends. Labour no
  longer
   appears so much to be included within the
  production
   process; rather, the human being comes to relate
   more as watchman and regulator to the production
   process itself. (What holds for machinery holds
   likewise for the combination of human activities
  and
   the development of human intercourse.) No longer
   does the worker insert a modified natural thing
   [Naturgegenstand] as middle link between the
  object
   [Objekt] and himself; rather, he inserts the
  process
   of nature, transformed into an industrial process,
   as a means between himself and inorganic nature,
   mastering it. He steps to the side of the
  production
   process instead of being its chief actor. In this
   transformation, it is neither the direct human
   labour he himself performs, nor the time during
   which he works, but rather the appropriation of
  his
   own general productive power, his understanding of
   nature and his mastery over it by virtue of his
   presence as a social body – it is, in a word, the
   development of the social individual which appears
   as the great foundation-stone of production and of
   wealth. The theft of alien labour time, on which
  the
   present wealth is based, appears a miserable
   foundation in face of this new one, created by
   large-scale industry itself. As soon as labour in
   the direct form has ceased to be the great
   well-spring of wealth, labour time ceases and must
   cease to be its measure, and hence exchange value
   [must cease to be the measure] of use value. The
   surplus labour of the mass has ceased to be the
   condition for the development of general wealth,
   just as the non-labour of the few, for the
   development of the general powers of the human
  head.
   With that, production based on exchange value
  breaks
   down, and the direct, material production process
  is
   stripped of the form of  penury and antithesis.
  The
   free development of individualities, and hence not
   the reduction of necessary labour time so as to
   posit surplus labour, but rather the general
   reduction of the necessary labour of society to a
   minimum, which then corresponds to the artistic,
   scientific etc. development of the individuals in
   the time set free, and with 

[PSL-BA] man pages

2005-12-21 Por tôpico Felipe Lobo
 Também são, mas posso opinar menos sobre esses (ou
 quase nada), o que esse pessoal aqui tá precisando é
 conhecer um pouco mais sobre outras formas de
 pensamento, que devem convergir em alguns pontos,
 não
 em todos. E talvez seja importante uma visão menos
 instrumentalista.
 
 Abraços, e vão ler outra coisa além de man pages
 (vê
 se não levam isso ao pé da letra).  
 
 --- paduamelo [EMAIL PROTECTED] escreveu:
 
  Genial e denso mesmo é isso aqui, escrito mais de
  150 anos antes de qualquer debate sobre trabalho
  imaterial, sobre conhecimento como mercadoria,
 sobre
  ciência como força produtiva (Habermas). sobre
  capitalismo informacional (e suas contradições
  insolúveis!)...
  
  The exchange of living labour for objectified
 labour
  – i.e. the positing of social labour in the form
 of
  the contradiction of capital and wage labour – is
  the ultimate development of the value-relation and
  of production resting on value. Its presupposition
  is – and remains – the mass of direct labour time,
  the quantity of labour employed, as the
 determinant
  factor in the production of wealth. But to the
  degree that large industry develops, the creation
 of
  real wealth comes to depend less on labour time
 and
  on the amount of labour employed than on the power
  of the agencies set in motion during labour time,
  whose ‘powerful effectiveness’ is   itself in turn
  out of all proportion to the direct labour time
  spent on their production, but depends rather on
 the
  general state of science and on the progress of
  technology, or the application of this science to
  production. (The development of this science,
  especially natural science, and all others with
 the
  latter, is itself in turn related to the
 development
  of material production.) Agriculture, e.g.,
 becomes
  merely the application of the science of material
  metabolism, its regulation for the greatest
  advantage of the entire body of society. Real
 wealth
  manifests itself, rather – and large industry
  reveals this – in the monstrous disproportion
  between the labour time applied, and its product,
 as
  well as in the qualitative imbalance between
 labour,
  reduced to a pure abstraction, and the power of
 the
  production process it superintends. Labour no
 longer
  appears so much to be included within the
 production
  process; rather, the human being comes to relate
  more as watchman and regulator to the production
  process itself. (What holds for machinery holds
  likewise for the combination of human activities
 and
  the development of human intercourse.) No longer
  does the worker insert a modified natural thing
  [Naturgegenstand] as middle link between the
 object
  [Objekt] and himself; rather, he inserts the
 process
  of nature, transformed into an industrial process,
  as a means between himself and inorganic nature,
  mastering it. He steps to the side of the
 production
  process instead of being its chief actor. In this
  transformation, it is neither the direct human
  labour he himself performs, nor the time during
  which he works, but rather the appropriation of
 his
  own general productive power, his understanding of
  nature and his mastery over it by virtue of his
  presence as a social body – it is, in a word, the
  development of the social individual which appears
  as the great foundation-stone of production and of
  wealth. The theft of alien labour time, on which
 the
  present wealth is based, appears a miserable
  foundation in face of this new one, created by
  large-scale industry itself. As soon as labour in
  the direct form has ceased to be the great
  well-spring of wealth, labour time ceases and must
  cease to be its measure, and hence exchange value
  [must cease to be the measure] of use value. The
  surplus labour of the mass has ceased to be the
  condition for the development of general wealth,
  just as the non-labour of the few, for the
  development of the general powers of the human
 head.
  With that, production based on exchange value
 breaks
  down, and the direct, material production process
 is
  stripped of the form of  penury and antithesis.
 The
  free development of individualities, and hence not
  the reduction of necessary labour time so as to
  posit surplus labour, but rather the general
  reduction of the necessary labour of society to a
  minimum, which then corresponds to the artistic,
  scientific etc. development of the individuals in
  the time set free, and with the means created, for
  all of them. Capital itself is the moving
  contradiction, [in] that it presses to reduce
 labour
  time to a minimum, while it posits labour time, on
  the other side, as sole measure and source of
  wealth. Hence it diminishes labour time in the
  necessary form so as to increase it in the
  superfluous form; hence posits the superfluous in
  growing measure as a condition – question of life
 or
  death – for the necessary. On the one side, then,
 it
  calls to