Re: It's paramount! that I learn this task: Tempoing

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Yup, I found it.
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  - Original Message - 
  From: Slau Halatyn 
  To: PTAccess List 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2017 11:04 PM
  Subject: Re: It's paramount! that I learn this task: Tempoing


  It's in the Transport and also in the Edit window as long as you have MIDI 
controls shown.

On Aug 8, 2017, at 7:07 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
<clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote:


OK, that makes sense.

I'm trying to recall... is the conductor in the edit window, or is that in 
the transport. I know it's one a the two, just don't remember which.
---
Christopher Gilland
Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries

http://www.gshministry.org
(980) 500-9575
  - Original Message - 
  From: Slau Halatyn
  To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
  Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2017 5:47 PM
  Subject: Re: It's paramount! that I learn this task: Tempoing


  The only way to have a session default to a tempo other than 120 bpm is 
to create a template with the session tempo set to whatever you want. All of 
your sessions created from that template will be at that tempo. Regarding the 
previous question, if you set the tempo without the conductor enabled, when you 
enable the conductor (which you'll need to follow tempo changes), the tempo 
will probably revert to 120 bpm. You'll probably need to create a tempo event 
at the beginning of the session and another tempo change where you want it to 
go to the new tempo.


On Aug 8, 2017, at 4:50 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
<clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote:


When you say a tempo event at the top of the song, what would I put for 
that event? I mean, I've already set the constant tempo at the beginning to 
84BPM, or is that what you mean, that alone is a tempo event.

Also, is there a way to change the default, so that instead of it 
defaulting to 128BPM, I could have it default to, say... 80BPM? Most songs I do 
are slower, and are around that speed.
---
Christopher Gilland
Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries

http://www.gshministry.org
(980) 500-9575
  - Original Message - 
  From: Slau Halatyn
  To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
  Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2017 4:11 PM
      Subject: Re: It's paramount! that I learn this task: Tempoing


  If you need a sudden tempo change, create a tempo event at the point 
you want the tempo to change. Make sure you have a tempo event at the top of 
the song and then a tempo event at whatever bar you need. In both cases, use 
the "Constant" tempo change. In the dialog, click on the tempo, enter a value, 
press Return then click Apply.


On Aug 8, 2017, at 2:48 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
<clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote:


I should have clarified.

I don't need it to gradually slow down. I need it to directly go 
from that 84 to an immediate 64BPM. I don't need a slope/curve in the tempo, 
unless that's not, by curve, what you meant, at which point, my apology.
---
Christopher Gilland
Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries

http://www.gshministry.org
(980) 500-9575
  - Original Message -
  From: Chi Kim
  To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
  Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2017 10:24 AM
      Subject: Re: It's paramount! that I learn this task: Tempoing


  Chris, check out the tempo operation window.
  You can change the constant to different curves for tempo changes.



  Chi




  On 8/8/2017 9:32 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

Guys,

I know this has been discussed before, but I'm seeming to not 
be able to get this to work.

Hopefully, one of you all can tell me step by step the process 
to make this work.

In ProTools, here's what we got going here.

I've got the song She's Not Cryin' Anymore by Billy Ray Cyrus, 
which I've arranged totally by hand from scratch.

For those of you who don't know the structure of this song, 
it's OK. I'm gonna explain, don't worry.

The song is your basic slow country 4/4 signature song which I 
am doing in the key of B mager. Don't ask why not C. That's irrelavent.

Anyway, I'm doing the song with an 84BPM constant tempo. That 
is...

Up until the very very last tag of the song. The ending where 
he repeats the phrase:

There's a smile upon her face, a new one takes my place, she's 
not cryin' anymore.

On the word any more, on more, specifically, the song ends by 
going to the root chord which of corse is B, then to t

Re: It's paramount! that I learn this task: Tempoing

[Slau Halatyn]

It's in the Transport and also in the Edit window as long as you have MIDI 
controls shown.
> On Aug 8, 2017, at 7:07 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> OK, that makes sense.
>  
> I'm trying to recall... is the conductor in the edit window, or is that in 
> the transport. I know it's one a the two, just don't remember which.
> ---
> Christopher Gilland
> Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries
>  
> http://www.gshministry.org <http://www.gshministry.org/>
> (980) 500-9575
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: Slau Halatyn <mailto:slauhala...@gmail.com>
>> To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com <mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2017 5:47 PM
>> Subject: Re: It's paramount! that I learn this task: Tempoing
>> 
>> The only way to have a session default to a tempo other than 120 bpm is to 
>> create a template with the session tempo set to whatever you want. All of 
>> your sessions created from that template will be at that tempo. Regarding 
>> the previous question, if you set the tempo without the conductor enabled, 
>> when you enable the conductor (which you'll need to follow tempo changes), 
>> the tempo will probably revert to 120 bpm. You'll probably need to create a 
>> tempo event at the beginning of the session and another tempo change where 
>> you want it to go to the new tempo.
>> 
>>> On Aug 8, 2017, at 4:50 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com 
>>> <mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> When you say a tempo event at the top of the song, what would I put for 
>>> that event? I mean, I've already set the constant tempo at the beginning to 
>>> 84BPM, or is that what you mean, that alone is a tempo event.
>>>  
>>> Also, is there a way to change the default, so that instead of it 
>>> defaulting to 128BPM, I could have it default to, say... 80BPM? Most songs 
>>> I do are slower, and are around that speed.
>>> ---
>>> Christopher Gilland
>>> Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries
>>>  
>>> http://www.gshministry.org <http://www.gshministry.org/>
>>> (980) 500-9575
>>>> - Original Message - 
>>>> From: Slau Halatyn <mailto:slauhala...@gmail.com>
>>>> To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com <mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2017 4:11 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: It's paramount! that I learn this task: Tempoing
>>>> 
>>>> If you need a sudden tempo change, create a tempo event at the point you 
>>>> want the tempo to change. Make sure you have a tempo event at the top of 
>>>> the song and then a tempo event at whatever bar you need. In both cases, 
>>>> use the "Constant" tempo change. In the dialog, click on the tempo, enter 
>>>> a value, press Return then click Apply.
>>>> 
>>>>> On Aug 8, 2017, at 2:48 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>>>> <clgillan...@gmail.com <mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I should have clarified.
>>>>>  
>>>>> I don't need it to gradually slow down. I need it to directly go from 
>>>>> that 84 to an immediate 64BPM. I don't need a slope/curve in the tempo, 
>>>>> unless that's not, by curve, what you meant, at which point, my apology.
>>>>> ---
>>>>> Christopher Gilland
>>>>> Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries
>>>>>  
>>>>> http://www.gshministry.org <http://www.gshministry.org/>
>>>>> (980) 500-9575
>>>>>> - Original Message -
>>>>>> From: Chi Kim <mailto:chigook...@hotmail.com>
>>>>>> To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com <mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com>
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2017 10:24 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: It's paramount! that I learn this task: Tempoing
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Chris, check out the tempo operation window.
>>>>>> You can change the constant to different curves for tempo changes.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Chi
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 8/8/2017 9:32 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
>>>>>>> Guys,
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> I know this has been discussed before, but I'm seeming to not be able 
>>>>>>> to get th

Re: It's paramount! that I learn this task: Tempoing

[Chi Kim]

Go to the position where you want to insert a new tempo. Open tempo 
operation window with option numpad 2 and create a constant tempo. You 
can open it from the event operation menu as well.

Then it'll immediately jump to whatever tempo you created.

Watch out for the conductor.


Chi



On 8/8/2017 5:12 PM, Chris Smart wrote:
> so how do I insert a tempo change?
>
> At 02:48 PM 8/8/2017, you wrote:
>> I should have clarified.
>>
>> I don't need it to gradually slow down. I need it to directly go from 
>> that 84 to an immediate 64BPM. I don't need a slope/curve in the 
>> tempo, unless that's not, by curve, what you meant, at which point, 
>> my apology.
>> ---
>> Christopher Gilland
>> Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries
>>
>> <http://www.gshministry.org>http://www.gshministry.org
>> (980) 500-9575
>> - Original Message -
>> From: <mailto:chigook...@hotmail.com>Chi Kim
>> To: <mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com>ptaccess@googlegroups.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2017 10:24 AM
>> Subject: Re: It's paramount! that I learn this task: Tempoing
>>
>> Chris, check out the tempo operation window.
>>
>> You can change the constant to different curves for tempo changes.
>>
>>
>> Chi
>>
>>
>>
>> On 8/8/2017 9:32 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
>>> Guys,
>>>
>>> I know this has been discussed before, but I'm seeming to not be 
>>> able to get this to work.
>>>
>>> Hopefully, one of you all can tell me step by step the process to 
>>> make this work.
>>>
>>> In ProTools, here's what we got going here.
>>>
>>> I've got the song She's Not Cryin' Anymore by Billy Ray Cyrus, which 
>>> I've arranged totally by hand from scratch.
>>>
>>> For those of you who don't know the structure of this song, it's OK. 
>>> I'm gonna explain, don't worry.
>>>
>>> The song is your basic slow country 4/4 signature song which I am 
>>> doing in the key of B mager. Don't ask why not C. That's irrelavent.
>>>
>>> Anyway, I'm doing the song with an 84BPM constant tempo. That is...
>>>
>>> Up until the very very last tag of the song. The ending where he 
>>> repeats the phrase:
>>>
>>> There's a smile upon her face, a new one takes my place, she's not 
>>> cryin' anymore.
>>>
>>> On the word any more, on more, specifically, the song ends by going 
>>> to the root chord which of corse is B, then to the 4, which is E, 
>>> then back down to a single held B chord to end the song.
>>>
>>> What happens here is once that bar hits, which is at bar 77, and 
>>> carries to the end of the song at bar 78, so basically, those last 
>>> two bars of the song, there is a retard. So, normally, again, the 
>>> song is at 84BPM. What I want is starting at bar 77, and finnishing 
>>> the whole rest of the session, I want the tempo to constantly drop 
>>> from the constant 84BPM down to 64BPM.
>>>
>>> Yes, I do have a click track in this song, and I have ProTools set 
>>> to give me a 2 bar count in. Note that this count in is not actually 
>>> recorded into the song. I'm using numpad 7 to turn on the click 
>>> track, then numpad 8 to toggle on the count in.
>>>
>>> Any help with this would be appreciated. In the long run, I'm gonna 
>>> have to teach my student how to do this. So, better I learn now, 
>>> before we get to that point, that way, I'm prepared.
>>>
>>> Chris.
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Re: It's paramount! that I learn this task: Tempoing

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

OK, that makes sense.

I'm trying to recall... is the conductor in the edit window, or is that in the 
transport. I know it's one a the two, just don't remember which.
---
Christopher Gilland
Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries

http://www.gshministry.org
(980) 500-9575
  - Original Message - 
  From: Slau Halatyn 
  To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2017 5:47 PM
  Subject: Re: It's paramount! that I learn this task: Tempoing


  The only way to have a session default to a tempo other than 120 bpm is to 
create a template with the session tempo set to whatever you want. All of your 
sessions created from that template will be at that tempo. Regarding the 
previous question, if you set the tempo without the conductor enabled, when you 
enable the conductor (which you'll need to follow tempo changes), the tempo 
will probably revert to 120 bpm. You'll probably need to create a tempo event 
at the beginning of the session and another tempo change where you want it to 
go to the new tempo.


On Aug 8, 2017, at 4:50 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
<clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote:


When you say a tempo event at the top of the song, what would I put for 
that event? I mean, I've already set the constant tempo at the beginning to 
84BPM, or is that what you mean, that alone is a tempo event.

Also, is there a way to change the default, so that instead of it 
defaulting to 128BPM, I could have it default to, say... 80BPM? Most songs I do 
are slower, and are around that speed.
---
Christopher Gilland
Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries

http://www.gshministry.org
(980) 500-9575
  - Original Message - 
  From: Slau Halatyn
  To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
  Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2017 4:11 PM
  Subject: Re: It's paramount! that I learn this task: Tempoing


  If you need a sudden tempo change, create a tempo event at the point you 
want the tempo to change. Make sure you have a tempo event at the top of the 
song and then a tempo event at whatever bar you need. In both cases, use the 
"Constant" tempo change. In the dialog, click on the tempo, enter a value, 
press Return then click Apply.


On Aug 8, 2017, at 2:48 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
<clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote:


I should have clarified.

I don't need it to gradually slow down. I need it to directly go from 
that 84 to an immediate 64BPM. I don't need a slope/curve in the tempo, unless 
that's not, by curve, what you meant, at which point, my apology.
---
Christopher Gilland
Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries

http://www.gshministry.org
(980) 500-9575
  - Original Message -
  From: Chi Kim
  To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
  Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2017 10:24 AM
  Subject: Re: It's paramount! that I learn this task: Tempoing


  Chris, check out the tempo operation window.
  You can change the constant to different curves for tempo changes.



  Chi




  On 8/8/2017 9:32 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

Guys,

I know this has been discussed before, but I'm seeming to not be 
able to get this to work.

Hopefully, one of you all can tell me step by step the process to 
make this work.

In ProTools, here's what we got going here.

I've got the song She's Not Cryin' Anymore by Billy Ray Cyrus, 
which I've arranged totally by hand from scratch.

For those of you who don't know the structure of this song, it's 
OK. I'm gonna explain, don't worry.

The song is your basic slow country 4/4 signature song which I am 
doing in the key of B mager. Don't ask why not C. That's irrelavent.

Anyway, I'm doing the song with an 84BPM constant tempo. That is...

Up until the very very last tag of the song. The ending where he 
repeats the phrase:

There's a smile upon her face, a new one takes my place, she's not 
cryin' anymore.

On the word any more, on more, specifically, the song ends by going 
to the root chord which of corse is B, then to the 4, which is E, then back 
down to a single held B chord to end the song.

What happens here is once that bar hits, which is at bar 77, and 
carries to the end of the song at bar 78, so basically, those last two bars of 
the song, there is a retard. So, normally, again, the song is at 84BPM. What I 
want is starting at bar 77, and finnishing the whole rest of the session, I 
want the tempo to constantly drop from the constant 84BPM down to 64BPM.

Yes, I do have a click track in this song, and I have ProTools set 
to give me a 2 bar count in. Note that this count in is not actually recorded 
into the song. I'm using numpad 7 to turn on the click track, then numpad 8 t

Re: It's paramount! that I learn this task: Tempoing

[Slau Halatyn]

The only way to have a session default to a tempo other than 120 bpm is to 
create a template with the session tempo set to whatever you want. All of your 
sessions created from that template will be at that tempo. Regarding the 
previous question, if you set the tempo without the conductor enabled, when you 
enable the conductor (which you'll need to follow tempo changes), the tempo 
will probably revert to 120 bpm. You'll probably need to create a tempo event 
at the beginning of the session and another tempo change where you want it to 
go to the new tempo.

> On Aug 8, 2017, at 4:50 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> When you say a tempo event at the top of the song, what would I put for that 
> event? I mean, I've already set the constant tempo at the beginning to 84BPM, 
> or is that what you mean, that alone is a tempo event.
>  
> Also, is there a way to change the default, so that instead of it defaulting 
> to 128BPM, I could have it default to, say... 80BPM? Most songs I do are 
> slower, and are around that speed.
> ---
> Christopher Gilland
> Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries
>  
> http://www.gshministry.org <http://www.gshministry.org/>
> (980) 500-9575
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: Slau Halatyn <mailto:slauhala...@gmail.com>
>> To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com <mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2017 4:11 PM
>> Subject: Re: It's paramount! that I learn this task: Tempoing
>> 
>> If you need a sudden tempo change, create a tempo event at the point you 
>> want the tempo to change. Make sure you have a tempo event at the top of the 
>> song and then a tempo event at whatever bar you need. In both cases, use the 
>> "Constant" tempo change. In the dialog, click on the tempo, enter a value, 
>> press Return then click Apply.
>> 
>>> On Aug 8, 2017, at 2:48 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com 
>>> <mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I should have clarified.
>>>  
>>> I don't need it to gradually slow down. I need it to directly go from that 
>>> 84 to an immediate 64BPM. I don't need a slope/curve in the tempo, unless 
>>> that's not, by curve, what you meant, at which point, my apology.
>>> ---
>>> Christopher Gilland
>>> Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries
>>>  
>>> http://www.gshministry.org <http://www.gshministry.org/>
>>> (980) 500-9575
>>>> - Original Message -
>>>> From: Chi Kim <mailto:chigook...@hotmail.com>
>>>> To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com <mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2017 10:24 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: It's paramount! that I learn this task: Tempoing
>>>> 
>>>> Chris, check out the tempo operation window.
>>>> You can change the constant to different curves for tempo changes.
>>>> 
>>>> Chi
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 8/8/2017 9:32 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
>>>>> Guys,
>>>>>  
>>>>> I know this has been discussed before, but I'm seeming to not be able to 
>>>>> get this to work.
>>>>>  
>>>>> Hopefully, one of you all can tell me step by step the process to make 
>>>>> this work.
>>>>>  
>>>>> In ProTools, here's what we got going here.
>>>>>  
>>>>> I've got the song She's Not Cryin' Anymore by Billy Ray Cyrus, which I've 
>>>>> arranged totally by hand from scratch.
>>>>>  
>>>>> For those of you who don't know the structure of this song, it's OK. I'm 
>>>>> gonna explain, don't worry.
>>>>>  
>>>>> The song is your basic slow country 4/4 signature song which I am doing 
>>>>> in the key of B mager. Don't ask why not C. That's irrelavent.
>>>>>  
>>>>> Anyway, I'm doing the song with an 84BPM constant tempo. That is...
>>>>>  
>>>>> Up until the very very last tag of the song. The ending where he repeats 
>>>>> the phrase:
>>>>>  
>>>>> There's a smile upon her face, a new one takes my place, she's not cryin' 
>>>>> anymore.
>>>>>  
>>>>> On the word any more, on more, specifically, the song ends by going to 
>>>>> the root chord which of corse is B, then to the 4, which is E, then back 
>>>>> down to a single held B

Re: It's paramount! that I learn this task: Tempoing

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

LOL! Chris. That's funny! Sorry about that. Hahahah.

In all seriousness though, thank you for that explanation. I very much 
appreciate it.
---
Christopher Gilland
Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries

http://www.gshministry.org
(980) 500-9575
  - Original Message - 
  From: Chris Smart 
  To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2017 5:16 PM
  Subject: Re: It's paramount! that I learn this task: Tempoing


  LOL Check your spelling. Ritard, spelled with an i or abbreviated rit 
  on a printed score, refers to the Italian term ritardando: "Gradually 
  decelerating the tempo of a piece of music, especially at the end of 
  the piece."

  Retard, with an e, is well, naw, it's too easy. Oh ok, it's a term 
  you're not supposed to be using in 2017. (grin)




  At 02:54 PM 8/8/2017, you wrote:
  >Mr. Smart, don't be so difficult!
  >
  >1. NO, that isn't what I'm asking. I don't want to do it gradually. 
  >Did I imply that by saying a retard? I thought a retard could be 
  >gradual, but not necessarily. I need it to directly go straight from 
  >84 to 64. I don't need a gradual declination. Would that not be 
  >considered then a retard? If not, then sorry. Maybe someone with a 
  >little theory background can set me straight on that term. I'm 
  >willing to learn.
  >
  >2. Yes, Chris, paramount. I have a click track in this recording. If 
  >I don't change the tempo, then it'll get out of sync, so yes. It's paramount.
  >
  >You know, for a professional, dude, you could be a bit more 
  >respectful with your words, thank you very much, sir!
  >
  >If you didn't wanna help, then why did you waist list traffic with 
  >unnecessary comments! Slau, tell me you agree! I'm sure you do! 
  >You're a reasonable enough guy, I'd think, or, at least hope.
  >---
  >Christopher Gilland
  >Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries
  >
  ><http://www.gshministry.org>http://www.gshministry.org
  >(980) 500-9575
  >- Original Message -
  >From: <mailto:csma...@cogeco.ca>Chris Smart
  >To: <mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com>ptaccess@googlegroups.com
  >Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2017 11:41 AM
  >Subject: Re: It's paramount! that I learn this task: Tempoing
  >
  >
  > >so you're asking: "How do I gradually slow the tempo over a couple of bars?
  >
  >
  >Paramount??
  >
  >
  >
  >"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of life: music and
  >cats." - Albert Schweitzer
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Re: It's paramount! that I learn this task: Tempoing

[Chris Smart]

Google is amazing!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfQyxGPcxMs





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Re: It's paramount! that I learn this task: Tempoing

[Chris Smart]

LOL Check your spelling. Ritard, spelled with an i or abbreviated rit 
on a printed score, refers to the Italian term ritardando: "Gradually 
decelerating the tempo of a piece of music, especially at the end of 
the piece."


Retard, with an e, is well, naw, it's too easy. Oh ok, it's a term 
you're not supposed to be using in 2017. (grin)





At 02:54 PM 8/8/2017, you wrote:

Mr. Smart, don't be so difficult!

1. NO, that isn't what I'm asking. I don't want to do it gradually. 
Did I imply that by saying a retard? I thought a retard could be 
gradual, but not necessarily. I need it to directly go straight from 
84 to 64. I don't need a gradual declination. Would that not be 
considered then a retard? If not, then sorry. Maybe someone with a 
little theory background can set me straight on that term. I'm 
willing to learn.


2. Yes, Chris, paramount. I have a click track in this recording. If 
I don't change the tempo, then it'll get out of sync, so yes. It's paramount.


You know, for a professional, dude, you could be a bit more 
respectful with your words, thank you very much, sir!


If you didn't wanna help, then why did you waist list traffic with 
unnecessary comments! Slau, tell me you agree! I'm sure you do! 
You're a reasonable enough guy, I'd think, or, at least hope.

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Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2017 11:41 AM
Subject: Re: It's paramount! that I learn this task: Tempoing


>so you're asking: "How do I gradually slow the tempo over a couple of bars?


Paramount??



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Re: It's paramount! that I learn this task: Tempoing

[Chris Smart]

so how do I insert a tempo change?

At 02:48 PM 8/8/2017, you wrote:

I should have clarified.

I don't need it to gradually slow down. I need it to directly go 
from that 84 to an immediate 64BPM. I don't need a slope/curve in 
the tempo, unless that's not, by curve, what you meant, at which 
point, my apology.

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Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2017 10:24 AM
Subject: Re: It's paramount! that I learn this task: Tempoing

Chris, check out the tempo operation window.

You can change the constant to different curves for tempo changes.


Chi



On 8/8/2017 9:32 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

Guys,

I know this has been discussed before, but I'm seeming to not be 
able to get this to work.


Hopefully, one of you all can tell me step by step the process to 
make this work.


In ProTools, here's what we got going here.

I've got the song She's Not Cryin' Anymore by Billy Ray Cyrus, 
which I've arranged totally by hand from scratch.


For those of you who don't know the structure of this song, it's 
OK. I'm gonna explain, don't worry.


The song is your basic slow country 4/4 signature song which I am 
doing in the key of B mager. Don't ask why not C. That's irrelavent.


Anyway, I'm doing the song with an 84BPM constant tempo. That is...

Up until the very very last tag of the song. The ending where he 
repeats the phrase:


There's a smile upon her face, a new one takes my place, she's not 
cryin' anymore.


On the word any more, on more, specifically, the song ends by going 
to the root chord which of corse is B, then to the 4, which is E, 
then back down to a single held B chord to end the song.


What happens here is once that bar hits, which is at bar 77, and 
carries to the end of the song at bar 78, so basically, those last 
two bars of the song, there is a retard. So, normally, again, the 
song is at 84BPM. What I want is starting at bar 77, and finnishing 
the whole rest of the session, I want the tempo to constantly drop 
from the constant 84BPM down to 64BPM.


Yes, I do have a click track in this song, and I have ProTools set 
to give me a 2 bar count in. Note that this count in is not 
actually recorded into the song. I'm using numpad 7 to turn on the 
click track, then numpad 8 to toggle on the count in.


Any help with this would be appreciated. In the long run, I'm gonna 
have to teach my student how to do this. So, better I learn now, 
before we get to that point, that way, I'm prepared.


Chris.
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Re: It's paramount! that I learn this task: Tempoing

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

When you say a tempo event at the top of the song, what would I put for that 
event? I mean, I've already set the constant tempo at the beginning to 84BPM, 
or is that what you mean, that alone is a tempo event.

Also, is there a way to change the default, so that instead of it defaulting to 
128BPM, I could have it default to, say... 80BPM? Most songs I do are slower, 
and are around that speed.
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  Subject: Re: It's paramount! that I learn this task: Tempoing


  If you need a sudden tempo change, create a tempo event at the point you want 
the tempo to change. Make sure you have a tempo event at the top of the song 
and then a tempo event at whatever bar you need. In both cases, use the 
"Constant" tempo change. In the dialog, click on the tempo, enter a value, 
press Return then click Apply.


On Aug 8, 2017, at 2:48 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
<clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote:


I should have clarified.

I don't need it to gradually slow down. I need it to directly go from that 
84 to an immediate 64BPM. I don't need a slope/curve in the tempo, unless 
that's not, by curve, what you meant, at which point, my apology.
---
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(980) 500-9575
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  From: Chi Kim
  To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
  Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2017 10:24 AM
      Subject: Re: It's paramount! that I learn this task: Tempoing


  Chris, check out the tempo operation window.
  You can change the constant to different curves for tempo changes.



  Chi




  On 8/8/2017 9:32 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

Guys,

I know this has been discussed before, but I'm seeming to not be able 
to get this to work.

Hopefully, one of you all can tell me step by step the process to make 
this work.

In ProTools, here's what we got going here.

I've got the song She's Not Cryin' Anymore by Billy Ray Cyrus, which 
I've arranged totally by hand from scratch.

For those of you who don't know the structure of this song, it's OK. 
I'm gonna explain, don't worry.

The song is your basic slow country 4/4 signature song which I am doing 
in the key of B mager. Don't ask why not C. That's irrelavent.

Anyway, I'm doing the song with an 84BPM constant tempo. That is...

Up until the very very last tag of the song. The ending where he 
repeats the phrase:

There's a smile upon her face, a new one takes my place, she's not 
cryin' anymore.

On the word any more, on more, specifically, the song ends by going to 
the root chord which of corse is B, then to the 4, which is E, then back down 
to a single held B chord to end the song.

What happens here is once that bar hits, which is at bar 77, and 
carries to the end of the song at bar 78, so basically, those last two bars of 
the song, there is a retard. So, normally, again, the song is at 84BPM. What I 
want is starting at bar 77, and finnishing the whole rest of the session, I 
want the tempo to constantly drop from the constant 84BPM down to 64BPM.

Yes, I do have a click track in this song, and I have ProTools set to 
give me a 2 bar count in. Note that this count in is not actually recorded into 
the song. I'm using numpad 7 to turn on the click track, then numpad 8 to 
toggle on the count in.

Any help with this would be appreciated. In the long run, I'm gonna 
have to teach my student how to do this. So, better I learn now, before we get 
to that point, that way, I'm prepared.

Chris.
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Re: It's paramount! that I learn this task: Tempoing

[Slau Halatyn]

If you need a sudden tempo change, create a tempo event at the point you want 
the tempo to change. Make sure you have a tempo event at the top of the song 
and then a tempo event at whatever bar you need. In both cases, use the 
"Constant" tempo change. In the dialog, click on the tempo, enter a value, 
press Return then click Apply.

> On Aug 8, 2017, at 2:48 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> I should have clarified.
>  
> I don't need it to gradually slow down. I need it to directly go from that 84 
> to an immediate 64BPM. I don't need a slope/curve in the tempo, unless that's 
> not, by curve, what you meant, at which point, my apology.
> ---
> Christopher Gilland
> Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries
>  
> http://www.gshministry.org <http://www.gshministry.org/>
> (980) 500-9575
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Chi Kim <mailto:chigook...@hotmail.com>
>> To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com <mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2017 10:24 AM
>> Subject: Re: It's paramount! that I learn this task: Tempoing
>> 
>> Chris, check out the tempo operation window.
>> You can change the constant to different curves for tempo changes.
>> 
>> Chi
>> 
>> 
>> On 8/8/2017 9:32 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
>>> Guys,
>>>  
>>> I know this has been discussed before, but I'm seeming to not be able to 
>>> get this to work.
>>>  
>>> Hopefully, one of you all can tell me step by step the process to make this 
>>> work.
>>>  
>>> In ProTools, here's what we got going here.
>>>  
>>> I've got the song She's Not Cryin' Anymore by Billy Ray Cyrus, which I've 
>>> arranged totally by hand from scratch.
>>>  
>>> For those of you who don't know the structure of this song, it's OK. I'm 
>>> gonna explain, don't worry.
>>>  
>>> The song is your basic slow country 4/4 signature song which I am doing in 
>>> the key of B mager. Don't ask why not C. That's irrelavent.
>>>  
>>> Anyway, I'm doing the song with an 84BPM constant tempo. That is...
>>>  
>>> Up until the very very last tag of the song. The ending where he repeats 
>>> the phrase:
>>>  
>>> There's a smile upon her face, a new one takes my place, she's not cryin' 
>>> anymore.
>>>  
>>> On the word any more, on more, specifically, the song ends by going to the 
>>> root chord which of corse is B, then to the 4, which is E, then back down 
>>> to a single held B chord to end the song.
>>>  
>>> What happens here is once that bar hits, which is at bar 77, and carries to 
>>> the end of the song at bar 78, so basically, those last two bars of the 
>>> song, there is a retard. So, normally, again, the song is at 84BPM. What I 
>>> want is starting at bar 77, and finnishing the whole rest of the session, I 
>>> want the tempo to constantly drop from the constant 84BPM down to 64BPM.
>>>  
>>> Yes, I do have a click track in this song, and I have ProTools set to give 
>>> me a 2 bar count in. Note that this count in is not actually recorded into 
>>> the song. I'm using numpad 7 to turn on the click track, then numpad 8 to 
>>> toggle on the count in.
>>>  
>>> Any help with this would be appreciated. In the long run, I'm gonna have to 
>>> teach my student how to do this. So, better I learn now, before we get to 
>>> that point, that way, I'm prepared.
>>>  
>>> Chris.
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Re: It's paramount! that I learn this task: Tempoing

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Mr. Smart, don't be so difficult!

1. NO, that isn't what I'm asking. I don't want to do it gradually. Did I imply 
that by saying a retard? I thought a retard could be gradual, but not 
necessarily. I need it to directly go straight from 84 to 64. I don't need a 
gradual declination. Would that not be considered then a retard? If not, then 
sorry. Maybe someone with a little theory background can set me straight on 
that term. I'm willing to learn.

2. Yes, Chris, paramount. I have a click track in this recording. If I don't 
change the tempo, then it'll get out of sync, so yes. It's paramount.

You know, for a professional, dude, you could be a bit more respectful with 
your words, thank you very much, sir!

If you didn't wanna help, then why did you waist list traffic with unnecessary 
comments! Slau, tell me you agree! I'm sure you do! You're a reasonable enough 
guy, I'd think, or, at least hope.
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http://www.gshministry.org
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  Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2017 11:41 AM
  Subject: Re: It's paramount! that I learn this task: Tempoing



  >so you're asking: "How do I gradually slow the tempo over a couple of bars?


  Paramount??


  
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Re: It's paramount! that I learn this task: Tempoing

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so you're asking: "How do I gradually slow the tempo over a couple of bars?



Paramount??



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Re: It's paramount! that I learn this task: Tempoing

[Chi Kim]

Chris, check out the tempo operation window.

You can change the constant to different curves for tempo changes.


Chi


On 8/8/2017 9:32 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
Guys,

I know this has been discussed before, but I'm seeming to not be able to get 
this to work.

Hopefully, one of you all can tell me step by step the process to make this 
work.

In ProTools, here's what we got going here.

I've got the song She's Not Cryin' Anymore by Billy Ray Cyrus, which I've 
arranged totally by hand from scratch.

For those of you who don't know the structure of this song, it's OK. I'm gonna 
explain, don't worry.

The song is your basic slow country 4/4 signature song which I am doing in the 
key of B mager. Don't ask why not C. That's irrelavent.

Anyway, I'm doing the song with an 84BPM constant tempo. That is...

Up until the very very last tag of the song. The ending where he repeats the 
phrase:

There's a smile upon her face, a new one takes my place, she's not cryin' 
anymore.

On the word any more, on more, specifically, the song ends by going to the root 
chord which of corse is B, then to the 4, which is E, then back down to a 
single held B chord to end the song.

What happens here is once that bar hits, which is at bar 77, and carries to the 
end of the song at bar 78, so basically, those last two bars of the song, there 
is a retard. So, normally, again, the song is at 84BPM. What I want is starting 
at bar 77, and finnishing the whole rest of the session, I want the tempo to 
constantly drop from the constant 84BPM down to 64BPM.

Yes, I do have a click track in this song, and I have ProTools set to give me a 
2 bar count in. Note that this count in is not actually recorded into the song. 
I'm using numpad 7 to turn on the click track, then numpad 8 to toggle on the 
count in.

Any help with this would be appreciated. In the long run, I'm gonna have to 
teach my student how to do this. So, better I learn now, before we get to that 
point, that way, I'm prepared.

Chris.
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