Re: Making the changes needed.

2001-06-03 Thread John Wilson




Dear Joe,
 
A fellow named Thomas Jefferson said, "I believe trial by 
jury to be the ONLY anchor yet imagined by man which can hold a government to 
the principles of its constitution.".
 
Please note the word "ONLY" (upper case added by me 
for emphasis).
 
John.

-Original Message-From: 
succeed <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: John 
Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Date: 
Wednesday, 30 May 2001 17:44Subject: Re: Making the changes 
needed.
Dear John,
 
No, I don't take any medication. But I get 
annoyed when people mislead others on any issue, in particular on such 
important issues.  There are two ways of dealing with the problem, not 
including open revolution, so why keep emphasise that there is ONLY one 
way?   This can only mislead people and cause some to close their 
mind to the truth, and I am sure that this is not your intention. Joe 
Bryant


Re: Making the changes needed.

2001-05-29 Thread John Wilson




Dear Joe,
 
Have you run out of Valium?
 
John.
 

-Original Message-From: 
succeed <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Cc: 
John Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Date: 
Monday, 28 May 2001 20:13Subject: Making the changes 
needed.
Greetings Sharree,
 
John Wilson copied his reply to you - on to 
me.
 
Juries are one way not the only way.  
John is keen on the jury approach and doing a lot of damage 
demanding that it is the only way. Reality is that the more 
people that are doing something, then bigger the numbers of people will 
become informed.
 
Juries could do the job but for two major problems. 
1.  the courts deny the right to trial by jury on 
most matters.   2. the people are so dumbed down that most 
have no ability to serve as a juror, most don't know right from wrong. These 
problems are as difficult to overcome as changing the whole system of 
government.  Why repair a worn-out tyre when it should be replaced with 
a new one?
 
The problem, if a country has one and most do, is found in 
the rules that limit government, the Constitution.  Either it 
is an effective constitution or it is defective.  Most sound 
great but in reality are an open door to power hungry politicians doing the 
bidding of the money power.
 
A good Constitution sets proper, reasonable and 
enforceable limits on government and a means whereby the people can, readily 
and without personal expense enforce the rules.
 
If you are not getting justice then look to your 
Constitution for its inadequacy.
 
Australia is in just as big a mess as anywhere, all a 
result of the money power as it everywhere else.
 
Recently we declared an Australian Declaration of Right 
2001, attached for your information. We are working on a Draft Fresh 
Constitution which is all but complete.  Only available by in hard copy 
by post Kit $20A postal order.  The big problem is getting the 
population to know what we are doing that alone understand it.
 
We have step by step plans to overcome this problem, not 
for publication.
 
Unfortunately our biggest enemy is people like John Wilson 
who constantly tell people that so-in-so is the ONLY way, this attitude is 
epidemic in the 'freedom' movement in Australia.
 
Every thing you do will have an effect, in the end it will 
be an informed public that will bring the changes needed.  
But people rely on leadership and ideas so if you have some ideas go 
for it, but heed the above before deciding which way will have the greatest 
effect.
 
Through history the people have never done anything, it 
has always been the few, when the time is right (informed people) the few 
get a result with the weight of the people.
 
I know you have a bill of rights, so did soviet 
Russia.  There is only one way to guarantee people liberty and justice 
and that is by placing clear limits on government.  A bill of rights 
limits the people.  Limited Government and the means whereby the people 
can readily enforce the limits without personal costs is, to use Johns words 
the ONLY way.  But there is much informing of the general public to be 
done in the mean time, information about the power of juries and a host of 
other issues.
 
I often quote from your Declaration of 
Independence, to which I would take the liberty of 
adding three word, highlighted in blue:--
 
"We 
hold these truths to be self-evident, 
­­­that all men are 
created equal under the law, that they are 
endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights, that among these 
are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, 
governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the 
consent of the governed, that whenever any form of government becomes 
destructive of these ends, it is the 
right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new 
government.
 
Check out the following web sites.  www.alt3.net  www.ja.olm.net/succeed www.killgst.com
 
Regards Joe Bryant.