RE: An idea I need help with, or told to stop wasting time on!

2010-06-07 Thread Michael Schneider
-Original Message- From: semantic-web-requ...@w3.org [mailto:semantic-web-requ...@w3.org] On Behalf Of Nathan Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2010 11:51 PM To: Michael Schneider Cc: Linked Data community; semantic-...@w3.org Subject: Re: An idea I need help with, or told to stop wasting time

RE: An idea I need help with, or told to stop wasting time on!

2010-06-07 Thread Michael Schneider
Hi Henry! Story Henry wrote: If you look at the rdf semantics document it spends a lot of time showing how one can turn literals into bnodes. http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf- mt/ (I can't quite remember where now) This works for OWL (1/2) /Full/ as well. OWL Full uses the (unrestricted) RDF abstract

An idea I need help with, or told to stop wasting time on!

2010-06-06 Thread Nathan
All, My brains breaking over this one - can see it and can't quite flesh out the details (or figure out if it's worth it) - it's very much a marmite (love/hate) idea that I haven't fully formed, and is targeted at addressing some common problems with namedgraph, reification, provenance

Re: An idea I need help with, or told to stop wasting time on!

2010-06-06 Thread Damian Steer
On 6 Jun 2010, at 17:17, Nathan wrote: 1: Introduce a 'value' property I have good news :-) rdf:value [1] Damian [1] http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf-mt/#rdfValue

Re: An idea I need help with, or told to stop wasting time on!

2010-06-06 Thread Nathan
Damian Steer wrote: On 6 Jun 2010, at 17:17, Nathan wrote: 1: Introduce a 'value' property I have good news :-) rdf:value [1] Brilliant, I hoped that's what it was for (but lack of documentation led me astray!) Great, Nathan

Re: An idea I need help with, or told to stop wasting time on!

2010-06-06 Thread Reto Bachmann-Gmuer
On Sun, Jun 6, 2010 at 6:17 PM, Nathan nat...@webr3.org wrote: ... :me foaf:name [ ex:value 'nathan' ; ex:type xsd:string ; ex:language 'en-gb' . ] . foaf:name has range rdfs:Literal, this still allows us to say: :me foaf:name [ And do some funkier stuff: :me

Re: An idea I need help with, or told to stop wasting time on!

2010-06-06 Thread Reto Bachmann-Gmuer
ops, accidentally sent too eraly On Sun, Jun 6, 2010 at 6:17 PM, Nathan nat...@webr3.org wrote: ... :me foaf:name [ ex:value 'nathan' ; ex:type xsd:string ; ex:language 'en-gb' . ] . foaf:name has range rdfs:Literal, this still allows us to say: :me foaf:name [ ex:sha_1

Re: An idea I need help with, or told to stop wasting time on!

2010-06-06 Thread Nathan
Reto Bachmann-Gmuer wrote: ops, accidentally sent too eraly On Sun, Jun 6, 2010 at 6:17 PM, Nathan nat...@webr3.org wrote: ... :me foaf:name [ ex:value 'nathan' ; ex:type xsd:string ; ex:language 'en-gb' . ] . foaf:name has range rdfs:Literal, this still allows us to say: :me

Re: An idea I need help with, or told to stop wasting time on!

2010-06-06 Thread Story Henry
On 6 Jun 2010, at 19:54, Reto Bachmann-Gmuer wrote: your way of specifying the type of the literal reminds me the recent discussion started by Henry Story: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/semantic-web/2010Feb/0174.html following this we could also say: :me foaf:name [

Re: An idea I need help with, or told to stop wasting time on!

2010-06-06 Thread Reto Bachmann-Gmuer
On Sun, Jun 6, 2010 at 9:44 PM, Nathan nat...@webr3.org wrote: so are we saying that all of these express the same: :me foaf:name 'nathan'^^xsd:string . :me foaf:name [ owl:sameAs 'nathan'^^xsd:string . ] . this two mean the same :me foaf:name [ xsd:string 'nathan' . ] . this should

Re: An idea I need help with, or told to stop wasting time on!

2010-06-06 Thread Nathan
Reto Bachmann-Gmuer wrote: On Sun, Jun 6, 2010 at 9:44 PM, Nathan nat...@webr3.org wrote: so are we saying that all of these express the same: :me foaf:name 'nathan'^^xsd:string . :me foaf:name [ rdf:value 'nathan'^^xsd:string . ] . I find it hard to communicate using a term that has no

Re: An idea I need help with, or told to stop wasting time on!

2010-06-06 Thread Story Henry
On 6 Jun 2010, at 22:22, Nathan wrote: Anything stopping me creating an ex:value which does have a strong meaning and definition where in usage both of the following express the same: :me foaf:name 'nathan'^^xsd:string . :me foaf:name [ ex:value 'nathan'^^xsd:string ] . seems to me

RE: An idea I need help with, or told to stop wasting time on!

2010-06-06 Thread Michael Schneider
Hi! Just a few notes concerning your ideas and OWL DL (I don't know whether this is important for you or not, but some people might find it relevant): Nathan wrote: 1: Introduce a 'value' property Where currently we can say: :me foaf:name 'nathan' . I'd propose introducing an ex:value