Re: Organization ontology

2010-06-08 Thread Dave Reynolds
On Mon, 2010-06-07 at 22:27 +0100, William Waites wrote: On 10-06-03 16:04, Dave Reynolds wrote: It would be great if you could suggest a better phrasing of the description of a FormalOrganization that would better encompass the range of entities you think should go there? Or are you

Re: Organization ontology

2010-06-08 Thread Dave Reynolds
On Tue, 2010-06-08 at 01:03 +0300, Emmanouil Batsis (Manos) wrote: Sorry for jumping in. I was thinking that a) the way i get FormalOrganization, it could as well be called LegalEntity to be more precise. Not quite, there are other LegalEntities that are not Organizations. The LegalEntity

Re: Organization ontology

2010-06-08 Thread Patrick Durusau
community; William Waites; Emmanouil Batsis (Manos) *Subject:* Re: Organization ontology Large corporations often have multiple legal entities and many informal, somewhat overlapping business organizations. Just saying. I wrangled with that. There're several different use cases for these for internal

Re: Organization ontology

2010-06-08 Thread Kingsley Idehen
: public-egov-ig-requ...@w3.org [mailto:public-egov-ig-requ...@w3.org] On Behalf Of Dave Reynolds Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 11:27 AM To: Emmanouil Batsis (Manos) Cc: Linked Data community; public-egov...@w3.org Subject: Re: Organization ontology On Tue, 2010-06-08 at 01:03 +0300, Emmanouil Batsis

Re: Organization ontology

2010-06-08 Thread Dan Brickley
On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Kingsley Idehen kide...@openlinksw.com wrote: Peristeras, Vassilios wrote: Hello all, I have the feeling that we are (at least partly) reinventing the wheel here. There have been several initiatives drafting generic models and representations for

Re: Organization ontology

2010-06-08 Thread Michael F Uschold
All, I personally am not aware of what the latest status of the Enterprise Ontology is. I would not assume that Last modified: Monday, 31 May 2010 means anything significant happened recently. I originally encoded the Enterprise Ontology into Ontolingua syntax, and there might have been a

Re: Organization ontology

2010-06-07 Thread Ian Davis
On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 8:50 AM, Dave Reynolds dave.e.reyno...@googlemail.com wrote: We would like to announce the availability of an ontology for description of organizational structures including government organizations. Congratulations on the publication of this ontology! I've added it to

Re: Organization ontology

2010-06-07 Thread Dave Reynolds
On Mon, 2010-06-07 at 09:34 +0100, Ian Davis wrote: On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 8:50 AM, Dave Reynolds dave.e.reyno...@googlemail.com wrote: We would like to announce the availability of an ontology for description of organizational structures including government organizations.

Re: Organization ontology

2010-06-07 Thread Emmanouil Batsis (Manos)
On 06/08/2010 12:27 AM, William Waites wrote: On 10-06-03 16:04, Dave Reynolds wrote: It would be great if you could suggest a better phrasing of the description of a FormalOrganization that would better encompass the range of entities you think should go there? Or are you advocating that the

Re: Organization ontology

2010-06-07 Thread Mike Norton
I can see Manos' point.   It seems that LegalEntity rather the Organization would work well under a sub-domain such as .LAW or .DOJ or .SEC, but under other sub-domains such as .NASA, the Organization element might be better served as ProjectName.   All instances would help specify the

Re: Organization ontology

2010-06-07 Thread Mike Norton
7, 2010 4:50:03 PM Subject: Re: Organization ontology Large corporations often have multiple legal entities and many informal, somewhat overlapping business organizations. Just saying. I wrangled with that. There're several different use cases for these for internal vs external, customer

RE: Organization ontology

2010-06-07 Thread Todd Vincent
To: Mike Norton Cc: public-egov...@w3.org; Dave Reynolds; William Waites; Linked Data community; William Waites; Emmanouil Batsis (Manos) Subject: Re: Organization ontology Large corporations often have multiple legal entities and many informal, somewhat overlapping business organizations. Just

RE: Organization ontology

2010-06-07 Thread Todd Vincent
Reynolds; Linked Data community; public-egov...@w3.org Subject: Re: Organization ontology On 06/08/2010 12:27 AM, William Waites wrote: On 10-06-03 16:04, Dave Reynolds wrote: It would be great if you could suggest a better phrasing of the description of a FormalOrganization that would better

RE: Organization ontology

2010-06-07 Thread Todd Vincent
To: Todd Vincent Cc: Patrick Logan; public-egov...@w3.org; Dave Reynolds; William Waites; Linked Data community; William Waites; Emmanouil Batsis (Manos) Subject: Re: Organization ontology Thanks for this, Todd. Personally, I love the persons on a beach scenario, because it is provocative

Re: Organization ontology

2010-06-06 Thread Dave Reynolds
] http://www.epimorphics.com/web/category/category/developers/organization-ontology [3] http://www.w3.org/ns/org# (available in RDF/XML, N3, Turtle via conneg or append .rdf/.n3/.ttl)

Re: Organization ontology

2010-06-03 Thread Stuart A. Yeates
On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 8:09 PM, Dave Reynolds dave.e.reyno...@googlemail.com wrote: On Wed, 2010-06-02 at 17:06 +1200, Stuart A. Yeates wrote: On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 7:50 PM, Dave Reynolds dave.e.reyno...@googlemail.com wrote: We would like to announce the availability of an ontology for

Re: Organization ontology

2010-06-03 Thread Dan Brickley
On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 8:47 AM, Stuart A. Yeates syea...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 8:09 PM, Dave Reynolds dave.e.reyno...@googlemail.com wrote: On Wed, 2010-06-02 at 17:06 +1200, Stuart A. Yeates wrote: On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 7:50 PM, Dave Reynolds dave.e.reyno...@googlemail.com

Re: Organization ontology

2010-06-03 Thread William Waites
On 10-06-03 09:01, Dan Brickley wrote: I don't find anything particularly troublesome about the org: vocab on this front. If you really want to critique culturally-loaded ontologies, I'd go find one that declares class hierarchies with terms like 'Terrorist' without giving any operational

Re: Organization ontology

2010-06-03 Thread Bob DuCharme
Is any sample instance data available, whether it's using real or fake organizations? thanks, Bob

Re: Organization ontology

2010-06-03 Thread Dave Reynolds
On Thu, 2010-06-03 at 09:29 -0400, Bob DuCharme wrote: Is any sample instance data available, whether it's using real or fake organizations? Not yet, but there will be. Dave

Re: Organization ontology

2010-06-03 Thread Dan Brickley
On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 3:07 PM, William Waites william.wai...@okfn.org wrote: On 10-06-03 09:01, Dan Brickley wrote: I don't find anything particularly troublesome about the org: vocab on this front. If you really want to critique culturally-loaded ontologies, I'd go find one that declares

Re: Organization ontology

2010-06-03 Thread Dave Reynolds
-class or equivalent-class of org:Membership. Dave [1] http://www.epimorphics.com/web/wiki/organization-ontology-first-draft [2] http://www.epimorphics.com/web/wiki/organization-ontology-survey

Re: Organization ontology

2010-06-03 Thread Gannon Dick
Weren't these details of the discussion the sort of Mission Creep the org vocabulary meant to avoid ? Certainly NGO's including Commercial Interests would like nothing better than to ride the trustworthiness coattails of a Geo-Political State. But the State is trustworthy precisely because it

Re: Organization ontology

2010-06-03 Thread Bob DuCharme
Dave, Does this mean that no sample data has been created yet, or that samples used in the course of development are not data that you are free to share? thanks, Bob Dave Reynolds wrote: On Thu, 2010-06-03 at 09:29 -0400, Bob DuCharme wrote: Is any sample instance data available,

Re: Organization ontology

2010-06-03 Thread Dave Reynolds
On Thu, 2010-06-03 at 12:41 -0400, Bob DuCharme wrote: Dave, Does this mean that no sample data has been created yet, or that samples used in the course of development are not data that you are free to share? Given the rather ... short ... timescale we were working under the sketchy

Re: Organization ontology

2010-06-02 Thread Dave Reynolds
On Wed, 2010-06-02 at 17:06 +1200, Stuart A. Yeates wrote: On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 7:50 PM, Dave Reynolds dave.e.reyno...@googlemail.com wrote: We would like to announce the availability of an ontology for description of organizational structures including government organizations. This

Re: Organization ontology

2010-06-02 Thread Kendall Clark
To give some different perspective, I don't believe that any of those issues w/r/t to other governance models impinge on the quality or utility of this organization ontology whatever. Does it accurately depict every possible scenario? Not at all. Is it adequate for the use cases and requirements

Organization ontology

2010-06-01 Thread Dave Reynolds
) will be announced to these lists. We suggest that any discussion take place on the public-lod list to avoid further cross-posting. Dave, Jeni, John [1] http://www.epimorphics.com/public/vocabulary/org.html [2] http://www.epimorphics.com/web/category/category/developers/organization-ontology [3] http

Re: Organization ontology

2010-06-01 Thread Michael Hausenblas
, Europe Tel. +353 91 495730 http://linkeddata.deri.ie/ http://sw-app.org/about.html From: Dave Reynolds dave.e.reyno...@googlemail.com Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2010 08:50:32 +0100 To: Linked Data community public-lod@w3.org, public-egov...@w3.org public-egov...@w3.org Subject: Organization ontology

Re: Organization ontology

2010-06-01 Thread Nathan
the Organisation stuff, but this is much better! Great work, Nathan Dave, Jeni, John [1] http://www.epimorphics.com/public/vocabulary/org.html [2] http://www.epimorphics.com/web/category/category/developers/organization-ontology [3] http://www.w3.org/ns/org# (available in RDF/XML, N3, Turtle

Re: Organization ontology

2010-06-01 Thread Christophe Guéret
On 06/01/2010 10:26 AM, Michael Hausenblas wrote: Dave, We would like to announce the availability of an ontology for description of organizational structures including government organizations. Brilliant! I submitted it now to Sindice [1] and 'registered' the org prefix in

Re: Organization ontology

2010-06-01 Thread Damian Steer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01/06/10 08:50, Dave Reynolds wrote: We would like to announce the availability of an ontology for description of organizational structures including government organizations. Looks good Dave. This is fairly close to AIISO [1], which I'm using

Re: Organization ontology

2010-06-01 Thread Dave Reynolds
On Tue, 2010-06-01 at 09:26 +0100, Michael Hausenblas wrote: Dave, We would like to announce the availability of an ontology for description of organizational structures including government organizations. Brilliant! I submitted it now to Sindice [1] and 'registered' the org prefix in

Re: Organization ontology

2010-06-01 Thread Dave Reynolds
On Tue, 2010-06-01 at 11:04 +0200, Christophe Guéret wrote: On 06/01/2010 10:26 AM, Michael Hausenblas wrote: Dave, We would like to announce the availability of an ontology for description of organizational structures including government organizations. Brilliant! I

Re: Organization ontology

2010-06-01 Thread Dave Reynolds
On Tue, 2010-06-01 at 10:37 +0100, Damian Steer wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01/06/10 08:50, Dave Reynolds wrote: We would like to announce the availability of an ontology for description of organizational structures including government organizations.

Re: Organization ontology

2010-06-01 Thread Bernard Vatant
/developers/organization-ontology [3] http://www.w3.org/ns/org# (available in RDF/XML, N3, Turtle via conneg or append .rdf/.n3/.ttl) -- Bernard Vatant Senior Consultant Vocabulary Data Engineering Tel: +33 (0) 971 488 459 Mail: bernard.vat...@mondeca.com

Re: Organization ontology

2010-06-01 Thread Dave Reynolds
, Dave [1] http://www.epimorphics.com/web/wiki/organization-ontology-second-draft#comment-60

Re: Organization ontology

2010-06-01 Thread Angelo Veltens
Dave Reynolds schrieb: We would like to announce the availability of an ontology for description of organizational structures including government organizations. Great! This comes in due time :-) I was just looking for something like that. I'll take a deeper look at it. Kind regards, Angelo

Re: Organization ontology

2010-06-01 Thread Kingsley Idehen
Michael Hausenblas wrote: Dave, We would like to announce the availability of an ontology for description of organizational structures including government organizations. Brilliant! I submitted it now to Sindice [1] and 'registered' the org prefix in prefix.cc [2] - you might want to

Re: Organization ontology

2010-06-01 Thread Stuart A. Yeates
On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 7:50 PM, Dave Reynolds dave.e.reyno...@googlemail.com wrote: We would like to announce the availability of an ontology for description of organizational structures including government organizations. This was motivated by the needs of the data.gov.uk project. After some

Re: Organization ontology

2010-06-01 Thread Chris Beer
Good point! Sent from my iPhone On 02/06/2010, at 15:06, Stuart A. Yeates syea...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 7:50 PM, Dave Reynolds dave.e.reyno...@googlemail.com wrote: We would like to announce the availability of an ontology for description of organizational structures

Re: Organization ontology

2010-06-01 Thread Chris Beer
Subject: Re: Organization ontology Good point! Sent from my iPhone On 02/06/2010, at 15:06, Stuart A. Yeates syea...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 7:50 PM, Dave Reynolds dave.e.reyno...@googlemail.com wrote: We would like to announce the availability of an ontology for description

Re: Organization ontology

2010-06-01 Thread Mike Norton
-egov...@w3.org public-egov...@w3.org Sent: Tue, June 1, 2010 10:49:57 PM Subject: Re: Organization ontology Cool! Let me know when that's ready. End of the week ok? ;P lol Sent from my iPhone On 02/06/2010, at 15:47, Mike Norton xsideofparad...@yahoo.com wrote: Or, in the U.S. we could just