Re: Question on moving linked data sets

2012-05-15 Thread Antoine Isaac
Hi Hugh, Thanks for taking the time to answer with examples! It's interesting that sameAs.org would become a kind of buffer/archive for URIs which are no longer de-referenceable on their original domain. By the way this seems to me a quite similar pattern to what Nature.com does, which you've

Re: Question on moving linked data sets

2012-05-12 Thread Hugh Glaser
Hi Antoine, On 23 Apr 2012, at 21:41, Antoine Isaac wrote: Hi Hugh, It seems that http://sameas.org/store/kelle/?uri=http://stitch.cs.vu.nl/vocabularies/rameau/ark:/12148/cb14521343b already has the owl:sameAs to http://data.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/cb14521343b so all is already taken care of!

Re: Question on moving linked data sets

2012-04-23 Thread Antoine Isaac
Hi Bernard, Indeed there is a bit of trust from the STITCH side: we believe than whatever was at stitch:x will be found at bnf:x. And we're talking about one same concept, yes: it's not one new concept replacing an old one. It is an identity change, so to say. If there's a change to that

Re: Question on moving linked data sets

2012-04-23 Thread Antoine Isaac
Hi Hugh, It seems that http://sameas.org/store/kelle/?uri=http://stitch.cs.vu.nl/vocabularies/rameau/ark:/12148/cb14521343b already has the owl:sameAs to http://data.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/cb14521343b so all is already taken care of! Great job :-) That being said I'm curious about your experience on

Re: Question on moving linked data sets

2012-04-22 Thread Hugh Glaser
Hi Antoine, Apart from all the internal stuff, you (or rather your users) can of course use http://sameas.org (in fact, this is part of its raison d'ĂȘtre, to use an English phrase). E.g. http://sameas.org/?uri=http://stitch.cs.vu.nl/vocabularies/rameau/ark:/12148/cb14521343b is the main one, but

Re: Question on moving linked data sets

2012-04-20 Thread Jon Phipps
On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 11:00 AM, Richard Wallis richard.wal...@dataliberate.com wrote: I presume the server doing the 301 is going to stay around for a while. This is at least part of the problem. In theory, LOD clients should cache a 301 (unless specifically instructed not to) and resolve

Re: Question on moving linked data sets

2012-04-20 Thread Antoine Isaac
Thanks a lot for your feedback! That's really precious. @Richard, Jon: yes, we'll try to have the 301 working for a while. But not forever, so it would be good if something could function as a more stable solution. Though I'm not sure the requirement is too strong, in our case. It's not as if

Re: Question on moving linked data sets

2012-04-20 Thread Kingsley Idehen
On 4/20/12 9:11 AM, Antoine Isaac wrote: Thanks a lot for your feedback! That's really precious. @Richard, Jon: yes, we'll try to have the 301 working for a while. But not forever, so it would be good if something could function as a more stable solution. Though I'm not sure the requirement

Re: Question on moving linked data sets

2012-04-20 Thread Bernard Vatant
Antoine In fact it seems that the dcterms:replaces option considers two resources (one that replace the other). Indeed. The bnf resource replaces, by all means of the term, the stitch one. Which in turns hints that you're considering that the URIs denote the URI themselves (or a

Question on moving linked data sets

2012-04-19 Thread Antoine Isaac
Dear all, We have a question on an what to do when a linked data set is moved from one namespace to the other. We searched for recipes to apply, but did not really find anything 'official' around... The VU university of Amsterdam has published a Linked Data SKOS representation of RAMEAU [1]

Re: Question on moving linked data sets

2012-04-19 Thread Kingsley Idehen
On 4/19/12 10:23 AM, Antoine Isaac wrote: Dear all, We have a question on an what to do when a linked data set is moved from one namespace to the other. We searched for recipes to apply, but did not really find anything 'official' around... The VU university of Amsterdam has published a

Re: Question on moving linked data sets

2012-04-19 Thread Kingsley Idehen
On 4/19/12 10:23 AM, Antoine Isaac wrote: Dear all, We have a question on an what to do when a linked data set is moved from one namespace to the other. We searched for recipes to apply, but did not really find anything 'official' around... The VU university of Amsterdam has published a

RE: Question on moving linked data sets

2012-04-19 Thread Ford, Kevin
and MARC Standards Office Library of Congress Washington, DC -Original Message- From: Antoine Isaac [mailto:ais...@few.vu.nl] Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 10:23 AM To: public-lod@w3.org Cc: romain.wenz; Antoine Isaac Subject: Question on moving linked data sets Dear all, We have

Re: Question on moving linked data sets

2012-04-19 Thread Bernard Vatant
Hello Antoine My take on this would be to use dcterms:isReplacedBy links rather than owl:sameAs Description of the concepts by BNF might change in the future and although the original identifier is the same, the description might be out of sync at some point. Bernard Le 19 avril 2012 16:23,

Re: Question on moving linked data sets

2012-04-19 Thread Ed Summers
Hi Antoine, First, congratulations on http://data.bnf.fr/ that is a major milestone! On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Antoine Isaac ais...@few.vu.nl wrote: We can ask for the people we know to change their links. But identifying the users of URIs seems too manual, error-prone a process. And

Re: Question on moving linked data sets

2012-04-19 Thread Ed Summers
On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 11:02 AM, Bernard Vatant bernard.vat...@mondeca.com wrote: My take on this would be to use dcterms:isReplacedBy links rather than owl:sameAs Description of the concepts by BNF might change in the future and although the original identifier is the same, the description

Re: Question on moving linked data sets

2012-04-19 Thread Ed Summers
On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 1:23 PM, Ed Summers e...@pobox.com wrote: http://data.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/cb14521343b dcterns:replaces http://stitch.cs.vu.nl/vocabularies/rameau/ark:/12148/cb14521343b . s/dcterns/dcterms/ //Ed

Re: Question on moving linked data sets

2012-04-19 Thread Jon Phipps
DC:Terns... http://blog.terrain.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/LeastTern_Tom-Grey_U.jpg Jon On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 1:23 PM, Ed Summers e...@pobox.com wrote: On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 11:02 AM, Bernard Vatant bernard.vat...@mondeca.com wrote: My take on this would be to use

Re: Question on moving linked data sets

2012-04-19 Thread Richard Wallis
Hi All, I do not think that there is much else you could do. I presume the server doing the 301 is going to stay around for a while. ~Richard. On 19 April 2012 15:23, Antoine Isaac ais...@few.vu.nl wrote: Dear all, We have a question on an what to do when a linked data set is moved from