Re: More ESWC 2008 Linked Data Playground

[Kingsley Idehen]

David Huynh wrote:

Kingsley Idehen wrote:

David,

But should such links be on these pages, too?
Absolutely, in line with the ideal best practice, you should have the 
following routes:


1. Request RDF via Content-type in your HTTP request
2. link rel=-alternate/
3. GRDDL profile in head/ plus link rel=transformation.../
4. eRDF or RDFa

If 1-4 aren't available, Construct a URI that passes the pages 
through an RDFization Service (Babel, Virtuoso Sponger Service, 
Zitgist Services, Triplr, others).

Kingsley

   http://www.eswc2008.org/main_program.html
   http://www.eswc2008.org/program.html
I did a View Source and couldn't find any alternate RDF/XML link. In 
fact, I can't find any RDF/XML on that site. Maybe I wasn't looking 
hard enough.

David,
Then the official ESWC2008 site (eswc2008.org) is not following that 
ideal best practice since it's missing 2, 3, and 4, and as a user with 
just a standard-compliant browser there's little I can do to verify 1. 
Is this diagnose correct? If so, will you please tell the eswc2008 
site admin to get with the program? :-)


Sure!

I am hoping that key principals associated with ESWC 2008  are following 
this thread :-)


We all love to see more open linked data, of course, so it'd be nice 
if *SWC conference sites all lead as examples. In doing so, maybe 
we'll discover the real motivations (or severe lack thereof) for 
publishing SW content, and the challenges of publishing (e.g., tedious 
manual or complex programmatic process to get lat/lng coordinates).


Amen to Dog-fooding!

I hope we are getting closer to the day when the dialog sample below 
becomes the norm:


Technology Vendor or Proponent: I am a vendor and/or proponent of 
Technology X that unveils the virtues of a given paradigm e.g Linked Data


Technology Customer: Do you exploit the virtues of the technology 
yourself? If so, please show me how.


The scenario above is very different from the general practice which 
always omits the vital Dog-fooding aspect :-(


Kingsley


David





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Re: More ESWC 2008 Linked Data Playground

[David Huynh]

Kingsley Idehen wrote:

Amen to Dog-fooding!

I hope we are getting closer to the day when the dialog sample below 
becomes the norm:


Technology Vendor or Proponent: I am a vendor and/or proponent of 
Technology X that unveils the virtues of a given paradigm e.g Linked Data


Technology Customer: Do you exploit the virtues of the technology 
yourself? If so, please show me how.


The scenario above is very different from the general practice which 
always omits the vital Dog-fooding aspect :-(

Kingsley,

I think there's more to this than just people generally don't eat their 
own dogfood. This is a special case that we can analyze in its own context.


To the sysadmin/author of a web site--even a pro-SW site in this case, 
there is no immediate feedback when they forget to publish the same data 
in RDF. No harm, but no benefit, either. In fact, nothing happens 
immediately either way. In the absence of any feedback, it's easy to 
forget, and hard to justify the extra effort.


This is like wearing seatbelt. People naturally forget to wear seatbelt 
just because they don't get hurt immediately when they start driving 
without seatbelt. So, the car industry need to invent seatbelt alarm. 
Eventually, with enough finger wagging (alarm beeping), some people get 
into the habit of wearing seatbelt, albeit grudgingly.


I believe there need to be a mechanism for rewarding RDF publishing, or 
scolding for forgetting. Do you have that mechanism in-place?


David