Re: Introducing Semgel, a semantic database app for gathering analyzing data from websites

2012-07-20 Thread Sebastian Schaffert
Am 19.07.2012 um 20:50 schrieb Kingsley Idehen: I completely understand and appreciate your desire (which I share) to see a mature landscape with a range of linked data sources. I can also understand how a database or spreadsheet can potentially offer fine-grained data access - your

Re: position in cancer informatics

2012-07-20 Thread Stefan Decker
The discussion seem to point to a deeper question: how to enable crowd sourcing of the analysis of these kind of data sets? This may involve running of analysis code or maybe even manual work. What kind of computational infrastructure would we need to enable this? And how do we validate and

Re: position in cancer informatics

2012-07-20 Thread Jakub Kotowski
It seems to me that more than a computational infrastructure you would need an efficient way to coordinate a community (communication, resource (file, software?, ...) sharing and a common way of describing each used methodology and set of results in order to facilitate subsequent result validation

Re: Introducing Semgel, a semantic database app for gathering analyzing data from websites

2012-07-20 Thread Michael Brunnbauer
Hello Sebastian, I agree 100% Regards, Michael Brunnbauer On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 10:06:38AM +0200, Sebastian Schaffert wrote: But I agree. A technology that is not able to fire proof its usefulness in a demand driven / problem driven environment is maybe interesting from an academic

RE: position in cancer informatics

2012-07-20 Thread Deus, Helena
WeConsent (http://weconsent.us/about.) is trying to address that through encouraging people to freely share their own health/genomics data instead of expecting health care professionals to do so. Supporting the deposition of this data by the patients may be step #1 towards a computational

Re: Introducing Semgel, a semantic database app for gathering analyzing data from websites

2012-07-20 Thread Kingsley Idehen
On 7/19/12 9:13 PM, Mike Bergman wrote: +1 On 7/19/2012 6:37 PM, glenn mcdonald wrote: Remember, this is the Linked Open Data (LOD) forum. We've long past the issue of *demand driven* over here, re. Linked Data. There's a difference between solving an issue and just refusing to

Re: position in cancer informatics

2012-07-20 Thread David Booth
On Fri, 2012-07-20 at 10:22 +0100, Stefan Decker wrote: The discussion seem to point to a deeper question: how to enable crowd sourcing of the analysis of these kind of data sets? This may involve running of analysis code or maybe even manual work. What kind of computational infrastructure

Re: Introducing Semgel, a semantic database app for gathering analyzing data from websites

2012-07-20 Thread Mike Bergman
Hi Kingsley, On 7/20/2012 5:30 AM, Kingsley Idehen wrote: On 7/19/12 9:13 PM, Mike Bergman wrote: +1 On 7/19/2012 6:37 PM, glenn mcdonald wrote: Remember, this is the Linked Open Data (LOD) forum. We've long past the issue of *demand driven* over here, re. Linked Data. There's a

[Additional Extension] Semantic Web for the Legal Domain

2012-07-20 Thread Silvio Peroni
*** Many apologies for cross-posting *** SEMANTIC WEB JOURNAL SPECIAL ISSUE ON Semantic Web for the legal domain http://www.semantic-web-journal.net/blog/semantic-web-journal-special-issue-semantic-web-legal-domain *** New Extended Submission Deadline: 30-Aug-2012 *** CALL FOR PAPER The

Re: Introducing Semgel, a semantic database app for gathering analyzing data from websites

2012-07-20 Thread Kingsley Idehen
On 7/20/12 4:06 AM, Sebastian Schaffert wrote: Am 19.07.2012 um 20:50 schrieb Kingsley Idehen: I completely understand and appreciate your desire (which I share) to see a mature landscape with a range of linked data sources. I can also understand how a database or spreadsheet can potentially

Re: Introducing Semgel, a semantic database app for gathering analyzing data from websites

2012-07-20 Thread Kingsley Idehen
On 7/20/12 10:17 AM, Mike Bergman wrote: Hi Kingsley, On 7/20/2012 5:30 AM, Kingsley Idehen wrote: On 7/19/12 9:13 PM, Mike Bergman wrote: +1 On 7/19/2012 6:37 PM, glenn mcdonald wrote: Remember, this is the Linked Open Data (LOD) forum. We've long past the issue of *demand

Re: position in cancer informatics

2012-07-20 Thread Gannon Dick
Sorry Dr. Booth, but I can't accept this conclusion. We need technical solutions that will help us work through and around these social barriers. The root problem with Linked Data is deeply embedded and I would argue inseparable from the current methods of the Mobile Web.  The ID provided by a

Re: position in cancer informatics

2012-07-20 Thread Paola Di Maio
We need technical solutions that will help us work through and around these social barriers. Suggested rephrase perhaps: we need the *socio-technical systems* that will help us work through and around ... etc etc PDM ISTCS.org socio-technical systems research -- David Booth, Ph.D.

Re: position in cancer informatics

2012-07-20 Thread Peter Jones
On the sociotechnical of possible interest: http://hodges-model.blogspot.co.uk/search/label/sociotechnical   Re. cancer informatics I'm enrolled on four BOINC projects - not one is cancer specific, but a couple can no doubt be related and the public can join in at least indirectly crunching

Re: Linked Data Demand Discussion Culture on this List, WAS: Introducing Semgel, a semantic database app for gathering analyzing data from websites

2012-07-20 Thread Kingsley Idehen
On 7/20/12 11:48 AM, Sebastian Schaffert wrote: [SNIP] -- so that we can focus on the key non personal points. My claim is founded in the many discussions I have when going to the CTOs of*real* companies (big ones, outside the research business) out there and trying to convince them that

System for Crowdsourcing Data Analysis [Was: position in cancer informatics]

2012-07-20 Thread Adrian Walker
Hi All, Stefan Decker wrote: The discussion seem to point to a deeper question: how to enable crowd sourcing of the analysis of these kind of data sets? This may involve running of analysis code or maybe even manual work. What kind of computational infrastructure would we need to enable

Re: Linked Data Demand Discussion Culture on this List, WAS: Introducing Semgel, a semantic database app for gathering analyzing data from websites

2012-07-20 Thread Sebastian Schaffert
Kingsley, Am 20.07.2012 um 20:20 schrieb Kingsley Idehen: Again, how have you arrived at the Linked Data vs CSV scenario? Secondly, if you'd done some background lookup, you would have stumbled across comments I've made about CSV and Linked Data. This is exactly the kind of comment by

Re: Linked Data Demand Discussion Culture on this List, WAS: Introducing Semgel, a semantic database app for gathering analyzing data from websites

2012-07-20 Thread Kingsley Idehen
On 7/20/12 4:05 PM, Sebastian Schaffert wrote: Kingsley, Am 20.07.2012 um 20:20 schrieb Kingsley Idehen: Again, how have you arrived at the Linked Data vs CSV scenario? Secondly, if you'd done some background lookup, you would have stumbled across comments I've made about CSV and Linked

Re: Linked Data Demand Discussion Culture on this List, WAS: Introducing Semgel, a semantic database app for gathering analyzing data from websites

2012-07-20 Thread Dave Reynolds
Hi Sebastian, I completely agree with what you say about: o Harish's original post being relevant to linked data and this list o that the culture of this forum can be counter productive o that the evidence for linked data delivering business value needs to be a lot stronger However,

Re: Linked Data Demand Discussion Culture on this List, WAS: Introducing Semgel, a semantic database app for gathering analyzing data from websites

2012-07-20 Thread Martynas Jusevičius
Sebastian, all, I'm on your side here. But regarding Linked Data, consider the following points that slow down its adoption: - data-heavy players such as Facebook and Google might not be interested in adopting a new open, even if superior, data approach, since it is in their interest to keep as

Re: Linked Data Demand Discussion Culture on this List, WAS: Introducing Semgel, a semantic database app for gathering analyzing data from websites

2012-07-20 Thread Sebastian Schaffert
Dear Martynas, Thanks for your constructive answer. I completely agree with all your points, and I am looking forward to your software (already checked the README ;-) ). We will surely try it out (maybe as a client for our Linked Media Framework). The problem I am facing is that part of my