PhD Position at école des mines de Saint-Étienne

2014-03-25 Thread Antoine Zimmermann
Dear All Firstly, apologies for cross posting. A PhD studentship is available at ENS Mines Saint-Étienne. He/she will be supervised by Professor Flavien Balbo and assistant Professor Antoine Zimmermann (ISCOD team, iscod.emse.fr). Scientific context: Intelligent transportation systems

Re: How to avoid that collections break relationships

2014-03-25 Thread Vuk Milicic
Hi Markus, How about this: /markus/friends/ rdfs:subClassOf schema:Person . /alice a /markus/friends/ . /markus schema:knows /alice . Vuk Milicic @faviki On 24 Mar 2014, at 16:24, Markus Lanthaler markus.lantha...@gmx.net wrote: Hi all, We have an interesting discussion in the Hydra W3C

Re: How to avoid that collections break relationships

2014-03-25 Thread Martynas Jusevičius
Vuk, If URIs like /alice identify documents, then your example treats documents as persons. In other words, you conflate information resources and real-world resources. Martynas graphityhq.com On Mar 25, 2014 11:35 AM, Vuk Milicic vuk.mili...@eurecom.fr wrote: Hi Markus, How about this:

Re: How to avoid that collections break relationships

2014-03-25 Thread Vuk Milicic
Martynas, From Markus' example I understood that /markus and /alice are instances of schema:Person (/markus a schema:Person; schema:knows /alice...), thus identifying people, not documents. Vuk Milicic @faviki On 25 Mar 2014, at 14:10, Martynas Jusevičius marty...@graphity.org wrote: Vuk,

RE: How to avoid that collections break relationships

2014-03-25 Thread Markus Lanthaler
On Monday, March 24, 2014 6:49 PM, Vuk Milicic wrote: Hi Markus, How about this: /markus/friends/ rdfs:subClassOf schema:Person . This would imply that /markus/friends is a schema:Person, which it is not. It is a collection keeping references to persons. /alice a /markus/friends/ .

RE: How to avoid that collections break relationships

2014-03-25 Thread Markus Lanthaler
On Tuesday, March 25, 2014 2:11 PM, Martynas Jusevičius wrote: Vuk, If URIs like /alice identify documents, then your example treats documents as persons. In other words, you conflate information resources and real-world resources. Martynas, while this might be true, it doesn't really matter

RE: How to avoid that collections break relationships

2014-03-25 Thread Markus Lanthaler
+cc public-lod and public-hydra which you've removed Michael On Monday, March 24, 2014 5:54 PM, Michael Haschke wrote: Would it be correct to summarize your question as, how do we enable mechanical features like addressability and pagination to a value collection in a way that doesn't

Re: How to avoid that collections break relationships

2014-03-25 Thread Jason Douglas
I find that so awkward since :knows is already a repeated property. Now we have denormalized semantics and queries have to look at both properties... and the only gain is the metadata about pagination. That's why I prefer an orthogonal mechanism like knows/collection for just the metadata. On

Re: How to avoid that collections break relationships

2014-03-25 Thread Niklas Lindström
Hi, Just thinking out loud here, On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 4:57 PM, Markus Lanthaler markus.lantha...@gmx.netwrote: +cc public-lod and public-hydra which you've removed Michael On Monday, March 24, 2014 5:54 PM, Michael Haschke wrote: Would it be correct to summarize your question as, how

SEMANTICS 2014 - Call for Papers + Poster + Demos

2014-03-25 Thread Jens Lehmann
10th International Conference on Semantic Systems Leipzig, Germany September 4-5, 2014 http://www.semantics.cc Important Dates (Research Application) Abstract Submission Deadline: May 23, 2014 Paper Submission Deadline: May 30, 2014 Notification of Acceptance:

RE: How to avoid that collections break relationships

2014-03-25 Thread Markus Lanthaler
On Tuesday, March 25, 2014 5:00 PM, Pat Hayes wrote: Seems to me that the, um, mistake that is made here is to use the same property schema:knows for both the individual case and the list case. Exactly.. it is especially problematic if rdfs:range is involved. Why not invent a new property

RE: How to avoid that collections break relationships

2014-03-25 Thread Markus Lanthaler
On Tuesday, March 25, 2014 5:08 PM, Jason Douglas wrote: I find that so awkward since :knows is already a repeated property. Now we have denormalized semantics and queries have to look at both properties... and the only gain is the metadata about pagination. That's why I prefer an orthogonal

RE: How to avoid that collections break relationships

2014-03-25 Thread Jason Douglas
On Tue Mar 25 2014 at 9:36:21 AM, Markus Lanthaler markus.lantha...@gmx.net wrote: On Tuesday, March 25, 2014 5:08 PM, Jason Douglas wrote: I find that so awkward since :knows is already a repeated property. Now we have denormalized semantics and queries have to look at both properties...

Re: How to avoid that collections break relationships

2014-03-25 Thread Peter F. Patel-Schneider
Let's see if I have this right. You are encountering a situation where thenumber of people Markus knows is too big (somehow). The proposed solution is to move this information to a separate location. I don't see how this helps in reducing the size of the information, which was the initial

Late breaking news on ontologies as demos and posters: The Third UK Ontology Network meeting, 24th April 2014, Aston University, Birmingham, UK

2014-03-25 Thread Monika Solanki
Dear All, We would like to invite submissions of late breaking research and implementation news around ontologies as demos and posters. We encourage submission from those working in both public and private sector, academic and industrial, research and applied work and from across all fields

Re: How to avoid that collections break relationships

2014-03-25 Thread Vuk Milicic
On 25 Mar 2014, at 16:48, Markus Lanthaler markus.lantha...@gmx.net wrote: On Monday, March 24, 2014 6:49 PM, Vuk Milicic wrote: Hi Markus, How about this: /markus/friends/ rdfs:subClassOf schema:Person . This would imply that /markus/friends is a schema:Person, which it is not. It

RE: How to avoid that collections break relationships

2014-03-25 Thread Markus Lanthaler
On Tuesday, March 25, 2014 5:49 PM, Peter F. Patel-Schneider wrote: Let's see if I have this right. You are encountering a situation where thenumber of people Markus knows is too big (somehow). The proposed solution is to move this information to a separate location. I don't see how this

Re: How to avoid that collections break relationships

2014-03-25 Thread Gregg Kellogg
Hi Peter, On Mar 25, 2014, at 9:49 AM, Peter F. Patel-Schneider pfpschnei...@gmail.com wrote: Let's see if I have this right. You are encountering a situation where thenumber of people Markus knows is too big (somehow). The proposed solution is to move this information to a separate

Re: How to avoid that collections break relationships

2014-03-25 Thread Peter F. Patel-Schneider
On 03/25/2014 10:40 AM, Markus Lanthaler wrote: On Tuesday, March 25, 2014 5:49 PM, Peter F. Patel-Schneider wrote: Let's see if I have this right. You are encountering a situation where thenumber of people Markus knows is too big (somehow). The proposed solution is to move this information

RE: How to avoid that collections break relationships

2014-03-25 Thread Markus Lanthaler
Hi Niklas, On Tuesday, March 25, 2014 5:21 PM, Niklas Lindström wrote: On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 4:57 PM, Markus Lanthaler wrote: On Monday, March 24, 2014 5:54 PM, Michael Haschke wrote: Would it be correct to summarize your question as, how do we enable mechanical features like

RE: How to avoid that collections break relationships

2014-03-25 Thread Markus Lanthaler
On Tuesday, March 25, 2014 5:44 PM, Jason Douglas wrote: On Tue Mar 25 2014 at 9:36:21 AM, Markus Lanthaler wrote: On Tuesday, March 25, 2014 5:08 PM, Jason Douglas wrote: I find that so awkward since :knows is already a repeated property. Now we have denormalized semantics and queries

Re: How to avoid that collections break relationships

2014-03-25 Thread Peter F. Patel-Schneider
On 03/24/2014 08:24 AM, Markus Lanthaler wrote: Hi all, [snip] Thanks, Markus P.S.: I'm aware of how LDP handles this issue, but, while I generally like the approach it takes, I don't like that fact that it imposes a specific interaction model. So LDP handles this issue, and is going

Re: How to avoid that collections break relationships

2014-03-25 Thread Jason Douglas
Well-summarized, Gregg. On Tue Mar 25 2014 at 10:46:43 AM, Gregg Kellogg gr...@greggkellogg.net wrote: Hi Peter, On Mar 25, 2014, at 9:49 AM, Peter F. Patel-Schneider pfpschnei...@gmail.com wrote: Let's see if I have this right. You are encountering a situation where thenumber of

RE: How to avoid that collections break relationships

2014-03-25 Thread Markus Lanthaler
On Tuesday, March 25, 2014 7:04 PM, Peter F. Patel-Schneider wrote: On 03/24/2014 08:24 AM, Markus Lanthaler wrote: Hi all, [snip] Thanks, Markus P.S.: I'm aware of how LDP handles this issue, but, while I generally like the approach it takes, I don't like that fact that it

Re: How to avoid that collections break relationships

2014-03-25 Thread Niklas Lindström
Hi Markus, On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 6:58 PM, Markus Lanthaler markus.lantha...@gmx.netwrote: Hi Niklas, On Tuesday, March 25, 2014 5:21 PM, Niklas Lindström wrote: On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 4:57 PM, Markus Lanthaler wrote: On Monday, March 24, 2014 5:54 PM, Michael Haschke wrote:

Re: How to avoid that collections break relationships

2014-03-25 Thread Peter F. Patel-Schneider
On 03/25/2014 11:21 AM, Markus Lanthaler wrote: On Tuesday, March 25, 2014 7:04 PM, Peter F. Patel-Schneider wrote: On 03/24/2014 08:24 AM, Markus Lanthaler wrote: Hi all, [snip] Thanks, Markus P.S.: I'm aware of how LDP handles this issue, but, while I generally like the approach it

Re: How to avoid that collections break relationships

2014-03-25 Thread Gregg Kellogg
On Mar 25, 2014, at 11:05 AM, Jason Douglas jasondoug...@google.com wrote: Well-summarized, Gregg. On Tue Mar 25 2014 at 10:46:43 AM, Gregg Kellogg gr...@greggkellogg.net wrote: Hi Peter, On Mar 25, 2014, at 9:49 AM, Peter F. Patel-Schneider pfpschnei...@gmail.com wrote: Let's see

Re: How to avoid that collections break relationships

2014-03-25 Thread Vuk Milicic
Markus, OK.. this is quite similar to what we discussed in the Hydra CG (and what LDP does): /markus a schema:Person ; /markus/friends/:manages [ :subject /markus ; :property schema:knows ] ; The thing I don't really like with these approaches is that you have

Research Assistant –UI/ UX Developer for Life Sciences and Semantic Web INSIGHT at NUI Galway (formerly DERI Galway)

2014-03-25 Thread Hasnain, Ali
** apologies for cross-posting ** Open Position Research Assistant –UI/ UX Developer for Life Sciences and Semantic Web INSIGHT at NUI Galway (formerly DERI Galway) In collaboration with our industrial partners, the successful applicant will play a key role working for projects in the