Re: Making human-friendly linked data pages more human-friendly

On 16/09/2009 20:20, "Paul A Houle" wrote: > > Database-backed sites traditionally do this with a mixture of declarative SQL > code and procedural code to create a view...  It would be interesting to see > RDF systems where the graph traversal is specified and transformed into a > website declari

Re: Making human-friendly linked data pages more human-friendly

Paul A Houle wrote: On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 12:19 PM, Kingsley Idehen mailto:kide...@openlinksw.com>> wrote: Schema Last vs. Schema First :-) An RDF virtue that once broadly understood, across the more traditional DBMS realms, will work wonders for RDF based Linked Data appreciat

Re: Making human-friendly linked data pages more human-friendly

On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 12:19 PM, Kingsley Idehen wrote: Schema Last vs. Schema First :-) An RDF virtue that once broadly understood, > across the more traditional DBMS realms, will work wonders for RDF based > Linked Data appreciation. > That's the conclusion that I'm coming to. I've been think

Re: Making human-friendly linked data pages more human-friendly

Paul A Houle wrote: On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 7:23 AM, Kingsley Idehen mailto:kide...@openlinksw.com>> wrote: This is basically an aspect of the whole Linked Data meme that is lost on too many. I've got to thank the book by Allemang and Hendler http://www.amazon.com/Semantic-Web-W

Re: Making human-friendly linked data pages more human-friendly

On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 7:23 AM, Kingsley Idehen wrote: > > > This is basically an aspect of the whole Linked Data meme that is lost on > too many. > > I've got to thank the book by Allemang and Hendler http://www.amazon.com/Semantic-Web-Working-Ontologist-Effective/dp/0123735564 for setting me

Re: Making human-friendly linked data pages more human-friendly

Paul A Houle wrote: I think there are a few scenarios here. In my mind, dbpedia.org is a site for tripleheads. I use it all the time when I'm trying to understand how my systems interact with data from dbpedia -- for that purpose, it's useful to see a reasonably

Re: Making human-friendly linked data pages more human-friendly

I think there are a few scenarios here. In my mind, dbpedia.org is a site for tripleheads. I use it all the time when I'm trying to understand how my systems interact with data from dbpedia -- for that purpose, it's useful to see a reasonably formatted list of triples associated with an i

Re: Making human-friendly linked data pages more human-friendly

Hugh Glaser wrote: I agree with Richard and think I also agree with Matthias. We do need to have nice publishing of our Linked Data. But I really don't see why it should be the publisher of the Linked Data that (yet again) bears the brunt of the work. Exactly! Linked Data is about separation

Re: Making human-friendly linked data pages more human-friendly (was: dbpedia not very visible, nor fun)

I agree with Richard and think I also agree with Matthias. We do need to have nice publishing of our Linked Data. But I really don't see why it should be the publisher of the Linked Data that (yet again) bears the brunt of the work. And of course they are likely to do a less than great job, not bei

Re: Making human-friendly linked data pages more human-friendly

Matthias Samwald wrote: Richard wrote: These are good points, and I don't really disagree with any of them, except perhaps in that I think that at the moment, data quality, a sensible URI scheme, wide coverage, perception of stability, and Those are, in part, very difficult problems that the

Re: Making human-friendly linked data pages more human-friendly (was: dbpedia not very visible, nor fun)

Richard wrote: These are good points, and I don't really disagree with any of them, except perhaps in that I think that at the moment, data quality, a sensible URI scheme, wide coverage, perception of stability, and Those are, in part, very difficult problems that the community has been worki

Re: Making human-friendly linked data pages more human-friendly

Adrian Walker wrote: Hi Kingsley & All -- Good to see that the top layers of the cake are getting some attention. After all that's where the icing is (:-) We have an approach to making the results from RDF and other queries more friendly. It's online at the site below [1,2]. However, the

Re: Making human-friendly linked data pages more human-friendly (was: dbpedia not very visible, nor fun)

Matthias, On 15 Sep 2009, at 14:30, Matthias Samwald wrote: Richard wrote: First, there are some datasets that combine linked data output with a traditional website, e.g., by embedding some RDFa markup. Of course, in that case, all the rules of good web design and information presentatio

Re: Making human-friendly linked data pages more human-friendly

Hi Kingsley & All -- Good to see that the top layers of the cake are getting some attention. After all that's where the icing is (:-) We have an approach to making the results from RDF and other queries more friendly. It's online at the site below [1,2]. However, the more you think about this,

Re: Making human-friendly linked data pages more human-friendly (was: dbpedia not very visible, nor fun)

Richard wrote: First, there are some datasets that combine linked data output with a traditional website, e.g., by embedding some RDFa markup. Of course, in that case, all the rules of good web design and information presentation still apply, and the site has to first and foremost fulfill th

Re: Making human-friendly linked data pages more human-friendly

fgang - Original Message - From: "Richard Cyganiak" To: "Matthias Samwald" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 12:46 PM Subject: Re: Making human-friendly linked data pages more human-friendly (was: dbpedia not very visible, nor fun) Hi Matthias, Please allow m

Re: Making human-friendly linked data pages more human-friendly (was: dbpedia not very visible, nor fun)

chard Cyganiak" To: "Matthias Samwald" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 12:46 PM Subject: Re: Making human-friendly linked data pages more human-friendly (was: dbpedia not very visible, nor fun) Hi Matthias, Please allow me to present a contrarian argument. First, there ar

Re: Making human-friendly linked data pages more human-friendly (was: dbpedia not very visible, nor fun)

Hi Matthias, Please allow me to present a contrarian argument. First, there are some datasets that combine linked data output with a traditional website, e.g., by embedding some RDFa markup. Of course, in that case, all the rules of good web design and information presentation still apply,

Re: Making human-friendly linked data pages more human-friendly

Matthias Samwald wrote: A central idea of linked data is, in my understanding, that every resource has not only a HTTP - resolvable RDF description of itself, but also a human-friendly rendering that can be viewed in a web browser. With the increasing popularity of RDFa, the URIs of these reso

Re: Making human-friendly linked data pages more human-friendly (was: dbpedia not very visible, nor fun)

It is nice to have pages that appeal to people, but projects that start from assorted RDF, and do not have a typical single resource layout might find it hard to get a meaningful sort arrangement in general. I will be thinking about this in the future though as the current layout of Bio2RDF HTML pa