Re: Contd: [pedantic-web] question about sioc / foaf usage

2009-12-02 Thread Kingsley Idehen
natlu2809 wrote: Maybe I'm not understanding the dichotomy here: * A URI represents a thing, or is an address for a thing URI Identifies a Thing. URIs basically have Referents (the things they Identify). A URL is a Resource Location/Address. * Different things have different URIs

Re: Contd: [pedantic-web] question about sioc / foaf usage

2009-12-02 Thread Nathan
nat lu wrote: [snip] The identity however is maintained by the fingerprint of the object graphs, and the URI is just an image of that fingerprint at some point in time/location ? I think Identity is managed by the beholder of things, the one that deems them important

Re: Contd: [pedantic-web] question about sioc / foaf usage

2009-12-02 Thread Kingsley Idehen
nat lu wrote: [snip] The identity however is maintained by the fingerprint of the object graphs, and the URI is just an image of that fingerprint at some point in time/location ? I think Identity is managed by the beholder of things, the one that deems them important

Re: Contd: [pedantic-web] question about sioc / foaf usage

2009-12-02 Thread Kingsley Idehen
Nathan wrote: nat lu wrote: [snip] The identity however is maintained by the fingerprint of the object graphs, and the URI is just an image of that fingerprint at some point in time/location ? I think Identity is managed by the beholder of things, the one

Re: Contd: [pedantic-web] question about sioc / foaf usage

2009-12-01 Thread Nathan
Hi All, To follow on a conversation I'm having with Kingsley at the minute, and to make it public, I'm also cc'ing in public-lod, pedantic-web and the sioc user list, as it is to do with all 3. Please do give feedback and correct me where I'm wrong. Especially if you can inline comment where

Re: Contd: [pedantic-web] question about sioc / foaf usage

2009-12-01 Thread Kingsley Idehen
Nathan wrote: Hi All, To follow on a conversation I'm having with Kingsley at the minute, and to make it public, I'm also cc'ing in public-lod, pedantic-web and the sioc user list, as it is to do with all 3. Please do give feedback and correct me where I'm wrong. Especially if you can inline

Re: Contd: [pedantic-web] question about sioc / foaf usage

2009-12-01 Thread Nathan
Kingsley Idehen wrote: Nathan wrote: Hi All, To follow on a conversation I'm having with Kingsley at the minute, and to make it public, I'm also cc'ing in public-lod, pedantic-web and the sioc user list, as it is to do with all 3. Please do give feedback and correct me where I'm wrong.

Re: Contd: [pedantic-web] question about sioc / foaf usage

2009-12-01 Thread Nathan
Nathan wrote: Kingsley Idehen wrote: Nathan wrote: Hi All, To follow on a conversation I'm having with Kingsley at the minute, and to make it public, I'm also cc'ing in public-lod, pedantic-web and the sioc user list, as it is to do with all 3. Please do give feedback and correct me where

Re: Contd: [pedantic-web] question about sioc / foaf usage

2009-12-01 Thread Kingsley Idehen
Nathan wrote: Kingsley Idehen wrote: Nathan wrote: Hi All, To follow on a conversation I'm having with Kingsley at the minute, and to make it public, I'm also cc'ing in public-lod, pedantic-web and the sioc user list, as it is to do with all 3. Please do give feedback and correct me

Re: Contd: [pedantic-web] question about sioc / foaf usage

2009-12-01 Thread Kingsley Idehen
Nathan wrote: [SNIP] perfect, thanks kingsley :) only q (which i still don't follow) is that afaik I *need* to specify in rdf where one can find the HTML document, no point describing something people can't find... noted that in you're own rdf you use: resource

Re: Contd: [pedantic-web] question about sioc / foaf usage

2009-12-01 Thread Nathan
Kingsley Idehen wrote: Nathan wrote: [SNIP] i think it's safe to say I grok this all now (lod); armed with everything i need, and full comprehension to do a months work in the next 4 days! kingsley, sincerely, thank you for everything - you've been invaluable in this process and looking

Re: Contd: [pedantic-web] question about sioc / foaf usage

2009-11-30 Thread Peter Ansell
2009/12/1 Hogan, Aidan aidan.ho...@deri.org: Hi Kingsley, For the sake of others. How do you describe and information resource via an RDF graph that is supposed to play well with Linked Data principles? If I understand the intent of your question, you are asking how an information

Re: Contd: [pedantic-web] question about sioc / foaf usage

2009-11-30 Thread Kingsley Idehen
Peter Ansell wrote: 2009/12/1 Hogan, Aidan aidan.ho...@deri.org: Hi Kingsley, For the sake of others. How do you describe and information resource via an RDF graph that is supposed to play well with Linked Data principles? If I understand the intent of your question, you are

Re: Contd: [pedantic-web] question about sioc / foaf usage

2009-11-30 Thread Ian Davis
I assume you've noticed the dearth of RDF examples that include descriptions of RDF files that are distinct, but connected, to the file contents. People have been doing that for years using foaf:primaryTopic. See example at http://xmlns.com/foaf/spec/#term_PersonalProfileDocument and

Re: Contd: [pedantic-web] question about sioc / foaf usage

2009-11-30 Thread Kingsley Idehen
Ian Davis wrote: I assume you've noticed the dearth of RDF examples that include descriptions of RDF files that are distinct, but connected, to the file contents. People have been doing that for years using foaf:primaryTopic. See example at

Re: Contd: [pedantic-web] question about sioc / foaf usage

2009-11-30 Thread Ian Davis
On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 10:37 PM, Kingsley Idehen kide...@openlinksw.com wrote: If you lookup Linked Data from spaces associated with myself of OpenLink you will see use the aforementioned property re. missing relation. Also, you may also find out that few people added the missing triple to

Re: Contd: [pedantic-web] question about sioc / foaf usage

2009-11-30 Thread Peter Ansell
2009/12/1 Ian Davis li...@iandavis.com: On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 10:37 PM, Kingsley Idehen kide...@openlinksw.com wrote: If you lookup Linked Data from spaces associated with myself of OpenLink you will see use the aforementioned property re. missing relation. Also, you may also find out

Re: Contd: [pedantic-web] question about sioc / foaf usage

2009-11-30 Thread Ian Davis
On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 12:02 AM, Peter Ansell ansell.pe...@gmail.com wrote: The necessary declaration of document as distinct, and yet necessary for the definition of data, and the necessity of different URI's for these two concepts, are fundamental sticking points for many people. Who is