Re: Design issues 5-star data section tidy up

2011-03-11 Thread martin hepp (mobile)
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Re: Design issues 5-star data section tidy up

2011-03-10 Thread Martin Hepp
Hi Egon, for mashing / reusing data, you do NOT need widely open licenses; what you need are 1. STANDARDIZED licenses 2. that are identified by a URI so that you can simply evaluate what you are allowed to do with the data by simple URI comparison. Proprietary licenses are problematic,

Re: Design issues 5-star data section tidy up

2011-03-10 Thread Kingsley Idehen
On 3/10/11 2:27 AM, Christopher Gutteridge wrote: Is that bad? For Linked Data to be useful, you need to be able to mix and share.. Sorry but that's simply not true. For it to be useful *to you*, perhaps, but (Closed) Linked Data still has massive value as a technology and not all data should

Re: Design issues 5-star data section tidy up

2011-03-10 Thread Adrian Pohl
Hello Martin, requesting open licenses in the narrow sense basically means requesting the end of intellectual property on the Web. Quite the opposite is true. Every license (whether open or not) is necessarily based on intellectual property rights. So, using open licenses in fact generally

Re: Design issues 5-star data section tidy up

2011-03-10 Thread Damian Steer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 10/03/11 13:34, Kingsley Idehen wrote: On 3/10/11 2:27 AM, Christopher Gutteridge wrote: Is that bad? For Linked Data to be useful, you need to be able to mix and share.. Sorry but that's simply not true. For it to be useful *to you*, perhaps,

Re: Design issues 5-star data section tidy up

2011-03-10 Thread Dave Reynolds
On Thu, 2011-03-10 at 15:15 +0100, Adrian Pohl wrote: Hello Martin, [snip] And yes, I agree with Christopher that the extreme notion of open is an ideology, not a technology. Being able to automate the evaluation of what you can do with the data is a technology. Requesting that all

Re: Design issues 5-star data section tidy up

2011-03-10 Thread Kingsley Idehen
On 3/10/11 9:47 AM, Damian Steer wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 10/03/11 13:34, Kingsley Idehen wrote: On 3/10/11 2:27 AM, Christopher Gutteridge wrote: Is that bad? For Linked Data to be useful, you need to be able to mix and share.. Sorry but that's simply not true.

Re: Design issues 5-star data section tidy up

2011-03-10 Thread Hugh Glaser
Oh dear - I knew I would join eventually. There is danger in actually defining terms when essentially we are talking about PR. This is not dishonest, it is pragmatic. The 5 stars are great, because they are so simple that any CEO or CTO thinks they can understand them. Get me to 3 stars by

Re: Design issues 5-star data section tidy up

2011-03-10 Thread Kingsley Idehen
On 3/10/11 12:01 PM, Hugh Glaser wrote: Oh dear - I knew I would join eventually. There is danger in actually defining terms when essentially we are talking about PR. This is not dishonest, it is pragmatic. The 5 stars are great, because they are so simple that any CEO or CTO thinks they can

Design issues 5-star data section tidy up

2011-03-09 Thread Bill Roberts
I like the new(ish) addition to http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/LinkedData.html on 5-star data. Unfortunately it looks like TimBL typed it with his eyes shut :-) Since it's a much read and much referenced document, I'd like to offer the following version with typos corrected. Perhaps someone

Re: Design issues 5-star data section tidy up

2011-03-09 Thread Martin Hepp
Dear Tim, all: ★ Available on the web (whatever format), but with an open licence ★★Available as machine-readable structured data (e.g. Excel instead of image scan of a table) ★★★ As (2) plus non-proprietary format (e.g. CSV instead of Excel) All the above, plus: use open

Re: Design issues 5-star data section tidy up

2011-03-09 Thread Christopher Gutteridge
Can I echo Les Carr's concerns that Excel is a bad example. It's kinda Open these days. I can read the data in a free perl library, so why isn't that 3*? Also, I've created some URIs for the concepts should you want to describe a dataset conforming to a * ranking;

Re: Design issues 5-star data section tidy up

2011-03-09 Thread Christopher Gutteridge
Maybe Silver Stars and Gold Stars? or just Stars for the linking and format and Gold for the license? On 09/03/11 21:03, Martin Hepp wrote: Dear Tim, all: ★ Available on the web (whatever format), but with an open licence ★★ Available as machine-readable structured data (e.g.

Re: Design issues 5-star data section tidy up

2011-03-09 Thread Martin Hepp
I am fine with that, but we need an approach for promoting linked data that does not interfere with existing business structures and revenue models. It's like GPL vs. LPGL - bundling a new perspective with enforcing a new business culture (as in GPL) means many businesses will rule out accepting

Re: Design issues 5-star data section tidy up

2011-03-09 Thread Bill Roberts
Sorry, didn't mean to start a debate on the contents of the 5-star text, however useful that may turn out to be :-) I just wanted to fix the obvious typos! On 9 Mar 2011, at 21:10, Christopher Gutteridge wrote: Maybe Silver Stars and Gold Stars? or just Stars for the linking and format

Re: Design issues 5-star data section tidy up

2011-03-09 Thread Egon Willighagen
On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 10:03 PM, Martin Hepp martin.h...@ebusiness-unibw.org wrote: ★     Available on the web (whatever format), but with an open licence I fear that the open requirement as the entrance gate for the star schema means that e-commerce data will be excluded. Most providers of

Re: Design issues 5-star data section tidy up

2011-03-09 Thread Egon Willighagen
Hi Christopher, On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 8:27 AM, Christopher Gutteridge c...@ecs.soton.ac.uk wrote: Is that bad? For Linked Data to be useful, you need to be able to mix and share.. Sorry but that's simply not true. For it to be useful *to you*, perhaps, but (Closed) Linked Data still has

Re: Design issues 5-star data section tidy up

2011-03-09 Thread Christopher Gutteridge
Is that bad? For Linked Data to be useful, you need to be able to mix and share.. Sorry but that's simply not true. For it to be useful *to you*, perhaps, but (Closed) Linked Data still has massive value as a technology and not all data should or can be fully open! Linking and Openness are