Re: Semantics of rdfs:seeAlso (Was: Is it best practices to use a rdfs:seeAlso link to a potentially multimegabyte PDF?)

2011-01-17 Thread Martin Hepp
Hi, First: Thanks for the kind clarification! In parallel, we can discourage people to use rdfs:seeAlso to point to non-RDF resources in the future. It can easily be substituted by foaf:depiction for images and foaf:page for HTML resources without RDFa. Yes, exactly. FYI: The W3C

Re: Semantics of rdfs:seeAlso (Was: Is it best practices to use a rdfs:seeAlso link to a potentially multimegabyte PDF?)

2011-01-17 Thread Kingsley Idehen
On 1/17/11 5:32 PM, Martin Hepp wrote: Hi, First: Thanks for the kind clarification! In parallel, we can discourage people to use rdfs:seeAlso to point to non-RDF resources in the future. It can easily be substituted by foaf:depiction for images and foaf:page for HTML resources without

Re: Semantics of rdfs:seeAlso (Was: Is it best practices to use a rdfs:seeAlso link to a potentially multimegabyte PDF?)

2011-01-14 Thread Martin Hepp
Hi John: IMHO (i) Martin is right regarding the (interpretation of the) definition of rdfs:seeAlso (ii) Tim is right regarding the practical issues thrown up by use of the wider interpretation of the range of rdfs:seeAlso. The question is: how to fix this for the community in general -

Re: Semantics of rdfs:seeAlso (Was: Is it best practices to use a rdfs:seeAlso link to a potentially multimegabyte PDF?)

2011-01-14 Thread Kingsley Idehen
On 1/14/11 3:48 AM, Martin Hepp wrote: Hi John: IMHO (i) Martin is right regarding the (interpretation of the) definition of rdfs:seeAlso (ii) Tim is right regarding the practical issues thrown up by use of the wider interpretation of the range of rdfs:seeAlso. The question is: how to fix

Re: Semantics of rdfs:seeAlso (Was: Is it best practices to use a rdfs:seeAlso link to a potentially multimegabyte PDF?)

2011-01-14 Thread Tim Berners-Lee
On 2011-01 -14, at 03:48, Martin Hepp wrote: Hi John: IMHO (i) Martin is right regarding the (interpretation of the) definition of rdfs:seeAlso (ii) Tim is right regarding the practical issues thrown up by use of the wider interpretation of the range of rdfs:seeAlso. The question is:

Re: Semantics of rdfs:seeAlso (Was: Is it best practices to use a rdfs:seeAlso link to a potentially multimegabyte PDF?)

2011-01-13 Thread Dave Reynolds
On Thu, 2011-01-13 at 06:29 -0500, Tim Berners-Lee wrote: This is the Linked Open Data list. The Linked Data world is a well-defined bit of engineering. It has co-opted the rdf:seeAlso semantics of if you are looking up x load y from the much earlier FOAF work. Where is this

Re: Semantics of rdfs:seeAlso (Was: Is it best practices to use a rdfs:seeAlso link to a potentially multimegabyte PDF?)

2011-01-13 Thread Jiří Procházka
On 01/13/2011 01:09 PM, Dave Reynolds wrote: On Thu, 2011-01-13 at 06:29 -0500, Tim Berners-Lee wrote: This is the Linked Open Data list. The Linked Data world is a well-defined bit of engineering. It has co-opted the rdf:seeAlso semantics of if you are looking up x load y from the much

Re: Semantics of rdfs:seeAlso (Was: Is it best practices to use a rdfs:seeAlso link to a potentially multimegabyte PDF?)

2011-01-13 Thread Nathan
Dave Reynolds wrote: On Thu, 2011-01-13 at 06:29 -0500, Tim Berners-Lee wrote: One *can* argue that the RDFS spec is definitive, and it is very loose in its definition. Loose in the sense of allowing a range of values but as a specification it is unambiguous in this case, as Martin has

Re: Semantics of rdfs:seeAlso (Was: Is it best practices to use a rdfs:seeAlso link to a potentially multimegabyte PDF?)

2011-01-13 Thread Martin Hepp
Hi Tim: On 13.01.2011, at 12:29, Tim Berners-Lee wrote: On 2011-01 -13, at 05:10, Martin Hepp wrote: I don't buy in to restricting the meaning of data in the context of RDF to RDF data. You can define data however you like for the purpoes of an argument, but with nothing to do with how

Re: Semantics of rdfs:seeAlso (Was: Is it best practices to use a rdfs:seeAlso link to a potentially multimegabyte PDF?)

2011-01-13 Thread Kingsley Idehen
On 1/13/11 6:29 AM, Tim Berners-Lee wrote: The protocol deployed in FOAF and linked data clients requires it to be RDF. Tim, Assuming we are discussing HTTP based Linked Data in a protocol sense, doesn't client side content negotiation come into the mix? The client knows what it wants, so

Re: Semantics of rdfs:seeAlso (Was: Is it best practices to use a rdfs:seeAlso link to a potentially multimegabyte PDF?)

2011-01-13 Thread Nathan
Hi Kinglsey, Kingsley Idehen wrote: When our engine describes entities it can publish these descriptions using variety of structured data formats that include RDF. The same thing applies on the data consumption side. Basically, RDF formats are options re. Linked Data (the concept). A

RE: Semantics of rdfs:seeAlso (Was: Is it best practices to use a rdfs:seeAlso link to a potentially multimegabyte PDF?)

2011-01-13 Thread john.nj.davies
IMHO (i) Martin is right regarding the (interpretation of the) definition of rdfs:seeAlso (ii) Tim is right regarding the practical issues thrown up by use of the wider interpretation of the range of rdfs:seeAlso. The question is: how to fix this for the community in general - maybe we should

Re: Semantics of rdfs:seeAlso (Was: Is it best practices to use a rdfs:seeAlso link to a potentially multimegabyte PDF?)

2011-01-13 Thread Kingsley Idehen
On 1/13/11 12:04 PM, Nathan wrote: Hi Kinglsey, Kingsley Idehen wrote: When our engine describes entities it can publish these descriptions using variety of structured data formats that include RDF. The same thing applies on the data consumption side. Basically, RDF formats are options re.

Re: Semantics of rdfs:seeAlso (Was: Is it best practices to use a rdfs:seeAlso link to a potentially multimegabyte PDF?)

2011-01-13 Thread Kingsley Idehen
On 1/13/11 12:17 PM, David Booth wrote: FWIW, I also agree with Martin's comments. It is the client's responsibility to decide what to retrieve and accept: 1. The definition of rdfs:seeAlso very clearly states that When such representations may be retrieved, no constraints are placed on the