Re: Linked Data Demand Discussion Culture on this List, WAS: Introducing Semgel, a semantic database app for gathering analyzing data from websites

2012-07-26 Thread Juan Sequeda
However, just to balance the picture slightly ... There are *some* clear, well documented examples of semweb/RDF/LD delivering business value through data integration. The most famous of these being probably: Garlik (now Experian), Amdocs and arguably the BBC. In my experience for every

Re: Linked Data Demand Discussion Culture on this List, WAS: Introducing Semgel, a semantic database app for gathering analyzing data from websites

2012-07-22 Thread Martynas Jusevičius
Hey all, speaking of (business) use cases for Linked Data, there is a number of them on W3C site: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/sweo/public/UseCases/ However I needed to present a few cases as a minimal slide deck, so here it is -- maybe it will be helpful to someone:

Re: Linked Data Demand Discussion Culture on this List, WAS: Introducing Semgel, a semantic database app for gathering analyzing data from websites

2012-07-21 Thread Giovanni Tummarello
In the past months i have worked a lot on the commercialization of RDF basedknowledge technologies so i feel like giving a contribution. We tried to understand what could be of interest to enterprise and came up with the slogan - or lets say adopted - enterprise linked data clouds with an

Re: Linked Data Demand Discussion Culture on this List, WAS: Introducing Semgel, a semantic database app for gathering analyzing data from websites

2012-07-21 Thread Harish Kumar M.
Hi, Thank you all for your observations on Semgel. I was really delighted to see Sebastian taking it upon himself to articulate in some detail about how Semgel aligns with the Linked Data vision. Much appreciated! Its also been great to see some of the interesting thoughts and pointers that have

Re: Linked Data Demand Discussion Culture on this List, WAS: Introducing Semgel, a semantic database app for gathering analyzing data from websites

2012-07-20 Thread Kingsley Idehen
On 7/20/12 11:48 AM, Sebastian Schaffert wrote: [SNIP] -- so that we can focus on the key non personal points. My claim is founded in the many discussions I have when going to the CTOs of*real* companies (big ones, outside the research business) out there and trying to convince them that

Re: Linked Data Demand Discussion Culture on this List, WAS: Introducing Semgel, a semantic database app for gathering analyzing data from websites

2012-07-20 Thread Sebastian Schaffert
Kingsley, Am 20.07.2012 um 20:20 schrieb Kingsley Idehen: Again, how have you arrived at the Linked Data vs CSV scenario? Secondly, if you'd done some background lookup, you would have stumbled across comments I've made about CSV and Linked Data. This is exactly the kind of comment by

Re: Linked Data Demand Discussion Culture on this List, WAS: Introducing Semgel, a semantic database app for gathering analyzing data from websites

2012-07-20 Thread Kingsley Idehen
On 7/20/12 4:05 PM, Sebastian Schaffert wrote: Kingsley, Am 20.07.2012 um 20:20 schrieb Kingsley Idehen: Again, how have you arrived at the Linked Data vs CSV scenario? Secondly, if you'd done some background lookup, you would have stumbled across comments I've made about CSV and Linked

Re: Linked Data Demand Discussion Culture on this List, WAS: Introducing Semgel, a semantic database app for gathering analyzing data from websites

2012-07-20 Thread Dave Reynolds
Hi Sebastian, I completely agree with what you say about: o Harish's original post being relevant to linked data and this list o that the culture of this forum can be counter productive o that the evidence for linked data delivering business value needs to be a lot stronger However,

Re: Linked Data Demand Discussion Culture on this List, WAS: Introducing Semgel, a semantic database app for gathering analyzing data from websites

2012-07-20 Thread Martynas Jusevičius
Sebastian, all, I'm on your side here. But regarding Linked Data, consider the following points that slow down its adoption: - data-heavy players such as Facebook and Google might not be interested in adopting a new open, even if superior, data approach, since it is in their interest to keep as

Re: Linked Data Demand Discussion Culture on this List, WAS: Introducing Semgel, a semantic database app for gathering analyzing data from websites

2012-07-20 Thread Sebastian Schaffert
Dear Martynas, Thanks for your constructive answer. I completely agree with all your points, and I am looking forward to your software (already checked the README ;-) ). We will surely try it out (maybe as a client for our Linked Media Framework). The problem I am facing is that part of my