Re: Making human-friendly linked data pages more human-friendly

2009-09-17 Thread Paul A Houle
I think there are a few scenarios here. In my mind, dbpedia.org is a site for tripleheads. I use it all the time when I'm trying to understand how my systems interact with data from dbpedia -- for that purpose, it's useful to see a reasonably formatted list of triples associated with an

Re: Making human-friendly linked data pages more human-friendly

2009-09-17 Thread Kingsley Idehen
Paul A Houle wrote: I think there are a few scenarios here. In my mind, dbpedia.org http://dbpedia.org is a site for tripleheads. I use it all the time when I'm trying to understand how my systems interact with data from dbpedia -- for that purpose, it's useful to see a reasonably

Re: Making human-friendly linked data pages more human-friendly

2009-09-17 Thread Paul A Houle
On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 7:23 AM, Kingsley Idehen kide...@openlinksw.comwrote: This is basically an aspect of the whole Linked Data meme that is lost on too many. I've got to thank the book by Allemang and Hendler http://www.amazon.com/Semantic-Web-Working-Ontologist-Effective/dp/0123735564

Re: Making human-friendly linked data pages more human-friendly

2009-09-17 Thread Kingsley Idehen
Paul A Houle wrote: On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 7:23 AM, Kingsley Idehen kide...@openlinksw.com mailto:kide...@openlinksw.com wrote: This is basically an aspect of the whole Linked Data meme that is lost on too many. I've got to thank the book by Allemang and Hendler

Re: Making human-friendly linked data pages more human-friendly

2009-09-17 Thread Paul A Houle
On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 12:19 PM, Kingsley Idehen kide...@openlinksw.comwrote: Schema Last vs. Schema First :-) An RDF virtue that once broadly understood, across the more traditional DBMS realms, will work wonders for RDF based Linked Data appreciation. That's the conclusion that I'm coming

Re: Making human-friendly linked data pages more human-friendly

2009-09-17 Thread Kingsley Idehen
Paul A Houle wrote: On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 12:19 PM, Kingsley Idehen kide...@openlinksw.com mailto:kide...@openlinksw.com wrote: Schema Last vs. Schema First :-) An RDF virtue that once broadly understood, across the more traditional DBMS realms, will work wonders for RDF based

Re: Making human-friendly linked data pages more human-friendly (was: dbpedia not very visible, nor fun)

2009-09-15 Thread Peter Ansell
It is nice to have pages that appeal to people, but projects that start from assorted RDF, and do not have a typical single resource layout might find it hard to get a meaningful sort arrangement in general. I will be thinking about this in the future though as the current layout of Bio2RDF HTML

Re: Making human-friendly linked data pages more human-friendly (was: dbpedia not very visible, nor fun)

2009-09-15 Thread Richard Cyganiak
Hi Matthias, Please allow me to present a contrarian argument. First, there are some datasets that combine linked data output with a traditional website, e.g., by embedding some RDFa markup. Of course, in that case, all the rules of good web design and information presentation still

Re: Making human-friendly linked data pages more human-friendly (was: dbpedia not very visible, nor fun)

2009-09-15 Thread Wolfgang Orthuber
Cyganiak rich...@cyganiak.de To: Matthias Samwald samw...@gmx.at Cc: public-lod@w3.org Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 12:46 PM Subject: Re: Making human-friendly linked data pages more human-friendly (was: dbpedia not very visible, nor fun) Hi Matthias, Please allow me to present a contrarian

Re: Making human-friendly linked data pages more human-friendly

2009-09-15 Thread Kingsley Idehen
- Original Message - From: Richard Cyganiak rich...@cyganiak.de To: Matthias Samwald samw...@gmx.at Cc: public-lod@w3.org Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 12:46 PM Subject: Re: Making human-friendly linked data pages more human-friendly (was: dbpedia not very visible, nor fun) Hi

Re: Making human-friendly linked data pages more human-friendly (was: dbpedia not very visible, nor fun)

2009-09-15 Thread Matthias Samwald
Richard wrote: First, there are some datasets that combine linked data output with a traditional website, e.g., by embedding some RDFa markup. Of course, in that case, all the rules of good web design and information presentation still apply, and the site has to first and foremost fulfill

Re: Making human-friendly linked data pages more human-friendly

2009-09-15 Thread Adrian Walker
Hi Kingsley All -- Good to see that the top layers of the cake are getting some attention. After all that's where the icing is (:-) We have an approach to making the results from RDF and other queries more friendly. It's online at the site below [1,2]. However, the more you think about this,

Re: Making human-friendly linked data pages more human-friendly (was: dbpedia not very visible, nor fun)

2009-09-15 Thread Richard Cyganiak
Matthias, On 15 Sep 2009, at 14:30, Matthias Samwald wrote: Richard wrote: First, there are some datasets that combine linked data output with a traditional website, e.g., by embedding some RDFa markup. Of course, in that case, all the rules of good web design and information

Re: Making human-friendly linked data pages more human-friendly

2009-09-15 Thread Kingsley Idehen
Adrian Walker wrote: Hi Kingsley All -- Good to see that the top layers of the cake are getting some attention. After all that's where the icing is (:-) We have an approach to making the results from RDF and other queries more friendly. It's online at the site below [1,2]. However, the

Re: Making human-friendly linked data pages more human-friendly (was: dbpedia not very visible, nor fun)

2009-09-15 Thread Matthias Samwald
Richard wrote: These are good points, and I don't really disagree with any of them, except perhaps in that I think that at the moment, data quality, a sensible URI scheme, wide coverage, perception of stability, and Those are, in part, very difficult problems that the community has been

Re: Making human-friendly linked data pages more human-friendly (was: dbpedia not very visible, nor fun)

2009-09-15 Thread Hugh Glaser
I agree with Richard and think I also agree with Matthias. We do need to have nice publishing of our Linked Data. But I really don't see why it should be the publisher of the Linked Data that (yet again) bears the brunt of the work. And of course they are likely to do a less than great job, not

Re: Making human-friendly linked data pages more human-friendly

2009-09-15 Thread Kingsley Idehen
Hugh Glaser wrote: I agree with Richard and think I also agree with Matthias. We do need to have nice publishing of our Linked Data. But I really don't see why it should be the publisher of the Linked Data that (yet again) bears the brunt of the work. Exactly! Linked Data is about