Re: What do we mean by parking Web Database? [Was: Re: TPAC report day 2]

2009-11-09 Thread Maciej Stachowiak
On Nov 8, 2009, at 11:12 PM, Jonas Sicking wrote: -Regards, Art Barstow [1] http://www.w3.org/2009/11/02-webapps-minutes.html#item12 [2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2009OctDec/0477.html From a technical point of view, are we expecting that there will actually be

Re: [WARP] Comments to WARP spec

2009-11-09 Thread Marcos Caceres
SULLIVAN, BRYAN L (ATTCINW) wrote: Hi Marcos, To be clear, your answer addresses point (2) only, and while I realize that the idea proposed may not apply to all valid start files, it nonetheless did address the point of the comment. It may not be the best solution but it is just a start on

Re: What do we mean by parking Web Database? [Was: Re: TPAC report day 2]

2009-11-09 Thread Robert O'Callahan
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 9:58 PM, Maciej Stachowiak m...@apple.com wrote: On Nov 8, 2009, at 11:12 PM, Jonas Sicking wrote: Indeed. I still personally wouldn't call it multiple independent implementations though. Would you call multiple implementations that use the standard C library

Re: View modes: more precision on fullscreen

2009-11-09 Thread Robin Berjon
On Nov 1, 2009, at 18:06 , Marcos Caceres wrote: 2009/10/5 Robin Berjon ro...@berjon.com: it seems to me that there's a missing distinction in our list of view modes: the difference between maximised and fullscreen (or perhaps fullscreen and all-screen). Maximised is the case in which the

Re: What do we mean by parking Web Database? [Was: Re: TPAC report day 2]

2009-11-09 Thread Maciej Stachowiak
On Nov 9, 2009, at 3:12 AM, Robert O'Callahan wrote: On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 9:58 PM, Maciej Stachowiak m...@apple.com wrote: On Nov 8, 2009, at 11:12 PM, Jonas Sicking wrote: Indeed. I still personally wouldn't call it multiple independent implementations though. Would you call multiple

Re: What do we mean by parking Web Database? [Was: Re: TPAC report day 2]

2009-11-09 Thread Robin Berjon
On Nov 9, 2009, at 09:58 , Maciej Stachowiak wrote: On Nov 8, 2009, at 11:12 PM, Jonas Sicking wrote: Indeed. I still personally wouldn't call it multiple independent implementations though. Would you call multiple implementations that use the standard C library independent? Obviously

Re: What do we mean by parking Web Database?

2009-11-09 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Mon, 09 Nov 2009 08:12:22 +0100, Jonas Sicking jo...@sicking.cc wrote: * SQL doesn't give any performance guarantees. Many times people tweak their SQL in order to get the implementation to use a desired evaluation stategy. This won't work in the likely event that different implementations

Re: What do we mean by parking Web Database? [Was: Re: TPAC report day 2]

2009-11-09 Thread Maciej Stachowiak
On Nov 9, 2009, at 3:49 AM, Robin Berjon wrote: On Nov 9, 2009, at 09:58 , Maciej Stachowiak wrote: On Nov 8, 2009, at 11:12 PM, Jonas Sicking wrote: Indeed. I still personally wouldn't call it multiple independent implementations though. Would you call multiple implementations that use

Re: View modes: more precision on fullscreen

2009-11-09 Thread Marcos Caceres
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 12:26 PM, Robin Berjon ro...@berjon.com wrote: On Nov 1, 2009, at 18:06 , Marcos Caceres wrote: 2009/10/5 Robin Berjon ro...@berjon.com: it seems to me that there's a missing distinction in our list of view modes: the difference between maximised and fullscreen (or

Re: What do we mean by parking Web Database? [Was: Re: TPAC report day 2]

2009-11-09 Thread Robert O'Callahan
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 12:44 AM, Maciej Stachowiak m...@apple.com wrote: If that were the extent of the implementation, I might agree. However, that doesn't accurately characterize at least WebKit's WebDatabase implementation. WebKit has around 15k lines of code which implement

Re: What do we mean by parking Web Database? [Was: Re: TPAC report day 2]

2009-11-09 Thread Robert O'Callahan
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 12:56 AM, Maciej Stachowiak m...@apple.com wrote: I agree that your Gecko example would be questionable. But to give an example on the other side of the fence, WebKit uses a copy of Mozilla's image decoding code, and yet I think our implementation of the img element

Re: What do we mean by parking Web Database? [Was: Re: TPAC report day 2]

2009-11-09 Thread Charles McCathieNevile
On Mon, 09 Nov 2009 03:44:09 -0800, Maciej Stachowiak m...@apple.com wrote: At the Web Apps WG face-to-face meeting at TPAC, all parties agreed (in the room at least) to let the spec continue without fully specifying the SQL dialect. This is not at all the sense that I got. Hixie agreed

Re: fyi: Strict Transport Security specification

2009-11-09 Thread Collin Jackson
On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 9:42 PM, Bil Corry b...@corry.biz wrote: How does the server identify the STS clients? If there isn't a way (which I don't believe there is), then given the STS requirement that a server should redirect from non-HTTPS to HTTPS, what does that mean for UAs that don't

Re: CfC: to publish First Public Working Draft of File API spec; deadline Nov 10

2009-11-09 Thread Sam Weinig
http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/FileAPI/ I support the publication as well. -Sam

Re: View modes: more precision on fullscreen

2009-11-09 Thread Robin Berjon
On Nov 9, 2009, at 13:05 , Marcos Caceres wrote: On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 12:26 PM, Robin Berjon ro...@berjon.com wrote: On Nov 1, 2009, at 18:06 , Marcos Caceres wrote: 2009/10/5 Robin Berjon ro...@berjon.com: it seems to me that there's a missing distinction in our list of view modes: the

Re: CfC: to publish First Public Working Draft of File API spec; deadline Nov 10

2009-11-09 Thread Adam Barth
I support publishing this document as a FPWD. Adam On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 9:27 PM, Arthur Barstow art.bars...@nokia.com wrote: This is a Call for Consensus (CfC) to publish the First Public Working Draft (FPWD) of the File API spec, latest Editor's Draft at:  

Re: View modes: more precision on fullscreen

2009-11-09 Thread Robin Berjon
On Nov 9, 2009, at 16:41 , Marcos Caceres wrote: That would be 'application', but not maximized. Uh, but those can be two different windowing modes, with the chrome subtly different and different behaviour (e.g. the window can't be dragged if maximised). That's UA/OS dependent. How it is

Re: What do we mean by parking Web Database?

2009-11-09 Thread Jonas Sicking
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 3:51 AM, Anne van Kesteren ann...@opera.com wrote: On Mon, 09 Nov 2009 08:12:22 +0100, Jonas Sicking jo...@sicking.cc wrote: * SQL doesn't give any performance guarantees. Many times people tweak their SQL in order to get the implementation to use a desired evaluation

Re: [webworkers] SharedWorker and ApplicationCache

2009-11-09 Thread Michael Nordman
Shared workers do not depend on HTML documents for resource loading. I think the webkit impl may have it cobbled together that way at the moment, but thats per-happen-stance, not per-the-spec. Shared workers effectively establish a new top-level-browsing-context all unto themselves. On Mon, Nov

Re: [webworkers] SharedWorker and ApplicationCache

2009-11-09 Thread Drew Wilson
The specific implementation of SharedWorkers in WebKit does this currently, but that is not a feature of the spec - I have this on my todo list to resolve once I've finished the Chromium version of shared workers. -atw On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 10:09 AM, Alexey Proskuryakov a...@webkit.org wrote:

Re: CORS Background slides

2009-11-09 Thread Tyler Close
On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 5:57 PM, Maciej Stachowiak m...@apple.com wrote: 5) I would summarize the tradeoff between this mechanism for a simple cross-site communication scenario vs. the CORS way to do it as follows:    a) In the CORS-based protocol, if you change the scenario in a way that

RE: [WARP] Comments to WARP spec

2009-11-09 Thread SULLIVAN, BRYAN L (ATTCINW)
Marcos, Re I'm personally not in favor of trying to deviate too much from the Web security model.: I agree with you, and that is the point of the comments. The web security model (I think you mean the same-origin restriction) does not restrict access to image content from anywhere, like the

Re: Use Cases and Requirements for Saving Files Securely

2009-11-09 Thread Ian Hickson
On Mon, 2 Nov 2009, Doug Schepers wrote: Please send in use cases, requirements, concerns, and concrete suggestions about the general topic (regardless of your opinion about my suggestion). Some use cases: * Ability to manage attachments in Web-based mail clients, both receiving and

Re: Re: Request for Reviewers: Section 7.4 of Web Security Context: User Interface Guidelines; deadline Sep 24 ( LC-2255)

2009-11-09 Thread Mary Ellen Zurko
Hi Adam, It's too bad you didn't CC me on the discussion because I think you misunderstood several of my points. Thanks. We've actually discussed your emails in meetings. I'm glad you've cleared up our misunderstanding. Then what are you taking about? I've attached two screen shots of

RE: Caching breakout session at TPAC

2009-11-09 Thread Mike Wilson
Hi Nikunj, I find the subjects of programmable caches and local http servers highly interesting for the browser. The below comments and questions are from a quick read-through of the supplied links, so please excuse any misunderstandings: 1) API orthogonality The spec invents yet another

Re: What do we mean by parking Web Database?

2009-11-09 Thread Nikunj R. Mehta
On Nov 9, 2009, at 9:00 AM, Jonas Sicking wrote: On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 3:51 AM, Anne van Kesteren ann...@opera.com wrote: On Mon, 09 Nov 2009 08:12:22 +0100, Jonas Sicking jo...@sicking.cc wrote: * SQL doesn't give any performance guarantees. Many times people tweak their SQL in order

Re: What do we mean by parking Web Database? [Was: Re: TPAC report day 2]

2009-11-09 Thread Nikunj R. Mehta
On Nov 9, 2009, at 12:58 AM, Maciej Stachowiak wrote: I think the likely outcome of the current situation will be that new mobile browsers will have a harder time establishing themselves in the market, since many popular mobile web apps will be using a database technology where the

Re: WebSimpleDB object caching

2009-11-09 Thread Nikunj R. Mehta
Hi Kris, Thanks for the insightful feedback. On Nov 7, 2009, at 8:12 PM, Kris Zyp wrote: Is there any intended restrictions on caching of objects returned by queries and gets with WebSimpleDB? Currently, the spec does specify any required behavior in terms of caching objects. As an

Re: fyi: Strict Transport Security specification

2009-11-09 Thread Bil Corry
Collin Jackson wrote on 11/8/2009 11:06 PM: On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 9:42 PM, Bil Corry b...@corry.biz wrote: How does the server identify the STS clients? If there isn't a way (which I don't believe there is), then given the STS requirement that a server should redirect from non-HTTPS to