Re: [WebIDL] remove modules

2011-08-12 Thread Paddy Byers
(Previously send to public-script-coord but I was asked to forward to webapps.) Hi, Two things to be aware of if we drop the feature: One, BONDI folks were using IDL modules, IIRC. Although I think their spec stabilised well before now, so presumably they’re dependent on an earlier WD of

Re: Mouse Lock

2011-08-12 Thread Jonas Sicking
On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 7:27 PM, Vincent Scheib sch...@google.com wrote: Re Rob: Is there a need to provide mouse-locking on a per-element basis? It seems to me it would be enough for mouse-locking to be per-DOM-window (or per-DOM-document) and deliver events to the focused element. This

[Bug 13763] New: The WebSocket API should provide a polling mechanism too. Only event based capture messages is not good because if a method in a JS-Class send a message the reply arrive in the even

2011-08-12 Thread bugzilla
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13763 Summary: The WebSocket API should provide a polling mechanism too. Only event based capture messages is not good because if a method in a JS-Class send a message the reply

Reminder: RfC: Last Call Working Draft of Web IDL; deadline August 23

2011-08-12 Thread Arthur Barstow
Reminder: August 23 is the comment deadline for the 12-July-2011 Last Call Working Draft of Web IDL: http://www.w3.org/TR/2011/WD-WebIDL-20110712/ Original Message Subject:RfC: Last Call Working Draft of Web IDL; deadline August 23 Resent-Date:Tue, 12 Jul 2011

Re: Rescinding the DOM 2 View Recommendation?

2011-08-12 Thread Arthur Barstow
On 8/10/11 6:02 PM, ext Doug Schepers wrote: After discussion with PLH and Ian Jacobs, and I don't think it's necessary for us to go through the additional overhead of rescinding the DOM 2 View specification. Instead, PLH and I support Anne's original proposal to simply update the status

Re: [WebIDL] remove modules

2011-08-12 Thread Arthur Barstow
Hi Paddy, If modules are removed from the Web IDL spec, what running code e.g. browsers, web/widget runtimes, IDEs, test cases, etc. will no longer comply with the spec (looking for real breakages here)? If WAC needs that type of functionality, could they define their own IDL extension?

Re: [WebIDL] remove modules

2011-08-12 Thread Marcos Caceres
On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 2:41 PM, Arthur Barstow art.bars...@nokia.com wrote: Hi Paddy, If modules are removed from the Web IDL spec, what running code e.g. browsers, web/widget runtimes, IDEs, test cases, etc. will no longer comply with the spec (looking for real breakages here)? I don't

RE: Rescinding the DOM 2 View Recommendation?

2011-08-12 Thread Adrian Bateman
On Wednesday, August 10, 2011 10:18 AM, Arthur Barstow wrote: Anne, Ms2ger, All, Anne and others proposed in [Proposal] the DOM 2 View Recommendation [D2V] be rescinded. The rescinding process is defined in the Process Document [Rescind]. However, Ian Jacobs just indicated in IRC

Re: Rescinding the DOM 2 View Recommendation?

2011-08-12 Thread Aryeh Gregor
On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 7:42 AM, Arthur Barstow art.bars...@nokia.com wrote: Anne, Ms2ger, All - can you live with adding a note to D2V rather than going down the rescind path? I'm fine with having prominent notices in obsolescent standards pointing readers to the up-to-date work. If

Re: [WebIDL] remove modules

2011-08-12 Thread Bryan Sullivan
I don't believe the concern is about changes to Web IDL breaking any running code (is that possible in any case? Web IDL is just a specification language...). But it could break specifications (affect them in a way that does impact the code which implements them). Future versions of a spec that

Re: [XHR] support for streaming data

2011-08-12 Thread Charles Pritchard
On 8/12/11 12:03 PM, Anne van Kesteren wrote: On Tue, 09 Aug 2011 02:13:20 +0200, Jonas Sicking jo...@sicking.cc wrote: XHR Level 2 does wonders for making XMLHttpRequest better. However there is one problem that we have run into with streaming data. Before we add yet another set of features,

Re: Mouse Lock

2011-08-12 Thread Jonas Sicking
On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 9:53 AM, Tab Atkins Jr. jackalm...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 10:14 PM, Robert O'Callahan rob...@ocallahan.org wrote: If your implementation had to warp the mouse cursor on Windows to get accurate delta information, the mouse position in the existing mouse

Re: Mouse Lock

2011-08-12 Thread Tab Atkins Jr.
On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 1:19 PM, Jonas Sicking jo...@sicking.cc wrote: On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 9:53 AM, Tab Atkins Jr. jackalm...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 10:14 PM, Robert O'Callahan rob...@ocallahan.org wrote: If your implementation had to warp the mouse cursor on Windows to

Re: Mouse Lock

2011-08-12 Thread Jonas Sicking
On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 1:54 PM, Tab Atkins Jr. jackalm...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 1:19 PM, Jonas Sicking jo...@sicking.cc wrote: On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 9:53 AM, Tab Atkins Jr. jackalm...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 10:14 PM, Robert O'Callahan

Re: Mouse Lock

2011-08-12 Thread Tab Atkins Jr.
On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 2:06 PM, Jonas Sicking jo...@sicking.cc wrote: On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 1:54 PM, Tab Atkins Jr. jackalm...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 1:19 PM, Jonas Sicking jo...@sicking.cc wrote: If we expose delta information in all mouse events, which seems like it

Re: [WebIDL] remove modules

2011-08-12 Thread Bryan Sullivan
Marcos, So OK, if we just remove the module keyword from the accelerometerhttp://specs.wacapps.net/2.0/jun2011/deviceapis/accelerometer.html definition, you're saying that will have no effect upon any aspect of the implementation of the accelerometer API? In terms of the need for the module

[indexeddb] Handing negative parameters for the advance method

2011-08-12 Thread Israel Hilerio
Since advance is intended to always move the cursor forward, it seems we want to only support positive parameter values. Therefore, I would suggest we change its signature to: void advance (in unsigned int count); If a developer specifies a negative number for it, we could throw an

Re: Mouse Lock

2011-08-12 Thread Jonas Sicking
On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 2:12 PM, Tab Atkins Jr. jackalm...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 2:06 PM, Jonas Sicking jo...@sicking.cc wrote: On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 1:54 PM, Tab Atkins Jr. jackalm...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 1:19 PM, Jonas Sicking jo...@sicking.cc wrote:

Re: [indexeddb] Handing negative parameters for the advance method

2011-08-12 Thread Jonas Sicking
On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 2:34 PM, Israel Hilerio isra...@microsoft.com wrote: Since advance is intended to always move the cursor forward, it seems we want to only support positive parameter values.  Therefore, I would suggest we change its signature to: void advance (in unsigned int count);

Re: Mouse Lock

2011-08-12 Thread Tab Atkins Jr.
On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 3:14 PM, Jonas Sicking jo...@sicking.cc wrote: And if the user doesn't approve the lock you do what? Not let them play your game? Maybe. It really is impossible to play a game with a control scheme based on WASD+mouselook if you can't get a lock. Alternately, you can

Re: [WebIDL] remove modules

2011-08-12 Thread Paddy Byers
Hi,, If modules are removed from the Web IDL spec, what running code e.g. browsers, web/widget runtimes, IDEs, test cases, etc. will no longer comply with the spec (looking for real breakages here)? If WAC needs that type of functionality, could they define their own IDL extension? Of

Re: [WebIDL] remove modules

2011-08-12 Thread Paddy Byers
Hi, E.g., The Accelerometer API and just remove module from the title and from the WebIDL. I don't think any spec in WAC references any other IDL in another module in the way that WebIDL defines... so there would be no impact. WAC does refer to interfaces defined in one module from another

[indexeddb] What happens after we reach the AutoInc maximum value?

2011-08-12 Thread Israel Hilerio
Assuming that we've created an object store with the auto-increment flag set to true, what is the expected behavior when we reach some type of max auto-increment value? Do we want to recycle and start again from zero or do we stop at the largest number and allow duplicates which will generate

Re: [WebIDL] remove modules

2011-08-12 Thread Cameron McCormack
On 13/08/11 10:49 AM, Paddy Byers wrote: WAC does refer to interfaces defined in one module from another module; however, we have not been using scoped names for these references - we use the unqualified interface name. More or less every WAC module does this. If WAC is already considering

Re: [indexeddb] What happens after we reach the AutoInc maximum value?

2011-08-12 Thread Jonas Sicking
On Friday, August 12, 2011, Israel Hilerio isra...@microsoft.com wrote: Assuming that we've created an object store with the auto-increment flag set to true, what is the expected behavior when we reach some type of max auto-increment value? Do we want to recycle and start again from zero or do

RE: [indexeddb] Handling negative parameters for the advance method

2011-08-12 Thread Israel Hilerio
On Friday, August 12, 2011 3:17 PM, Jonas Sicking wrote: On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 2:34 PM, Israel Hilerio isra...@microsoft.com wrote: Since advance is intended to always move the cursor forward, it seems we want to only support positive parameter values.  Therefore, I would suggest we change

Re: [XHR2] responseType and response properties

2011-08-12 Thread Jonas Sicking
On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 5:43 PM, Chris Rogers crog...@google.com wrote: Hi Jonas, sorry about the late reply - comments inline: On Sat, May 21, 2011 at 12:36 AM, Jonas Sicking jo...@sicking.cc wrote: Hi All, Firefox 6 is going to add support for the the new responseType and response

[Bug 13763] The WebSocket API should provide a polling mechanism too. Only event based capture messages is not good because if a method in a JS-Class send a message the reply arrive in the event han

2011-08-12 Thread bugzilla
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13763 Ian 'Hixie' Hickson i...@hixie.ch changed: What|Removed |Added Status|NEW |RESOLVED

Re: Mouse Lock

2011-08-12 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 7:50 PM, Vincent Scheib sch...@google.com wrote: BTW, draft spec currently states, When mouse lock is enabled clientX, clientY, screenX, and screenY must hold constant values as if the mouse were located at the center of the mouse lock target element I chose this to