Re: [Component Model]: Shadow DOM Subtree per element: One or Many?

2011-08-25 Thread Dominic Cooney
On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 11:55 AM, Dimitri Glazkov dglaz...@chromium.org wrote: On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 2:44 PM, Dominic Cooney domin...@google.com wrote: On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 2:44 AM, Dimitri Glazkov dglaz...@chromium.org wrote: All, Adam raises an interesting question: should we allow

Re: [selectors-api] Return an Array instead of a static NodeList

2011-08-25 Thread Jonas Sicking
On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 12:04 PM, Aryeh Gregor a...@aryeh.name wrote: On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 1:27 PM, Jonas Sicking jo...@sicking.cc wrote: I agree with this, but it might be too late to make this change. The problem is that if we returned an Array object, it would not have a .item function,

Re: [XHR2] Blobs, names and FormData

2011-08-25 Thread Jonas Sicking
On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 12:57 PM, Charles Pritchard ch...@jumis.com wrote: Prpoposed: FormData output with the x-www-form-urlencoded mime type: formData.toUrlEncodedBlob(xhr.send) If going down the blob path, these two would have the same end-result: formData.toMultipartBlob(xhr.send)

Re: [selectors-api] Return an Array instead of a static NodeList

2011-08-25 Thread Julien Richard-Foy
On 25 août 2011, at 08:33, Jonas Sicking jo...@sicking.cc wrote: On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 12:04 PM, Aryeh Gregor a...@aryeh.name wrote: On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 1:27 PM, Jonas Sicking jo...@sicking.cc wrote: I agree with this, but it might be too late to make this change. The problem is that

Re: [Component Model]: Shadow DOM Subtree per element: One or Many?

2011-08-25 Thread Dominic Cooney
On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 11:57 AM, Dimitri Glazkov dglaz...@chromium.org wrote: On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 2:38 PM, Dominic Cooney domin...@google.com wrote: On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 4:37 AM, Dimitri Glazkov dglaz...@chromium.org wrote: On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 12:19 PM, Erik Arvidsson

Re: [Component Model]: Shadow DOM Subtree per element: One or Many?

2011-08-25 Thread Dominic Cooney
On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 11:58 AM, Dimitri Glazkov dglaz...@chromium.org wrote: Also -- we can always try to start with just one subtree, and then enable multiple. Since the plumbing and the order specification are trivial, it's something we can easily add. :DG Yes. This sounds like a good

Re: [XHR2] Blobs, names and FormData

2011-08-25 Thread Charles Pritchard
On 8/24/11 11:36 PM, Jonas Sicking wrote: On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 12:57 PM, Charles Pritchardch...@jumis.com wrote: Prpoposed: FormData output with the x-www-form-urlencoded mime type: formData.toUrlEncodedBlob(xhr.send) If going down the blob path, these two would have the same

Re: Component Model Update

2011-08-25 Thread Dominic Cooney
On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 2:03 PM, John J Barton johnjbar...@johnjbarton.com wrote: I'm still trying to digest this, but it seem pretty clear the 'confinement' is the clear scope thing I was asking about on es-discuss.  According to that discussion, this means needs to fit with the 'modules'

Re: [selectors-api] Return an Array instead of a static NodeList

2011-08-25 Thread Jonas Sicking
On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 11:47 PM, Julien Richard-Foy jul...@richard-foy.fr wrote: On 25 août 2011, at 08:33, Jonas Sicking jo...@sicking.cc wrote: On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 12:04 PM, Aryeh Gregor a...@aryeh.name wrote: On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 1:27 PM, Jonas Sicking jo...@sicking.cc wrote: I

Joystick support

2011-08-25 Thread Scott Graham
Hello, I noticed that Mozilla has started to prototype support for Joystick events. There's some documentation on this effort https://wiki.mozilla.org/JoystickAPI as well as a prototype https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=604039 I'm also interested in adding support for joysticks to

Re: Component Model Update

2011-08-25 Thread Dominic Cooney
Here is a quick first cut: How about use cases like these: - Extension that wants to inspect input type=password and warn you when you are entering you password in an insecure form (from abarth earlier in the thread.) - Password manager that wants to find anything that looks like a login panel

Re: Component Model Update

2011-08-25 Thread Olli Pettay
On 08/23/2011 11:40 PM, Dimitri Glazkov wrote: All, Over the last few weeks, a few folks and myself have been working on fleshing out the vision for the Component Model. Here's what we've done so far: * Created a general overview document for behavior attachment problem on the Web

Re: Joystick support

2011-08-25 Thread Paul Bakaus
Hi Scott, We should definitely open it up for a broader discussion. I think the right place for the discussion might be the new device apis WG, which I've cc'ed. Thanks, Paul Am 24.08.11 21:23 schrieb Scott Graham unter scot...@chromium.org: Hello, I noticed that Mozilla has started to

Re: Joystick support

2011-08-25 Thread Robin Berjon
Hi all, On Aug 25, 2011, at 10:49 , Paul Bakaus wrote: We should definitely open it up for a broader discussion. I think the right place for the discussion might be the new device apis WG, which I've cc'ed. It certainly feels like such an API would find a logical home in Device APIs. It's a

Re: Joystick support

2011-08-25 Thread Olli Pettay
On 08/25/2011 12:54 PM, Robin Berjon wrote: Hi all, On Aug 25, 2011, at 10:49 , Paul Bakaus wrote: We should definitely open it up for a broader discussion. I think the right place for the discussion might be the new device apis WG, which I've cc'ed. It certainly feels like such an API would

Re: how to organize the DOM specs [Was: CfC: publish new WD of DOM Core]

2011-08-25 Thread Robin Berjon
On Aug 22, 2011, at 11:47 , James Graham wrote: I don't really understand your point here. If you used the smaller document presumably you could just have easily have read the relevant chapter from the larger document. [...snip...] Small specs encourage people - including the spec editors -

Re: Component Model Update

2011-08-25 Thread Dominic Cooney
On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 5:41 PM, Olli Pettay olli.pet...@helsinki.fi wrote: On 08/23/2011 11:40 PM, Dimitri Glazkov wrote: All, Over the last few weeks, a few folks and myself have been working on fleshing out the vision for the Component Model. Here's what we've done so far: * Created a

RE: Joystick support

2011-08-25 Thread Tran, Dzung D
Hi, This seems like it could fit more into the Web Events WG. In the Web Events, we deal with touch events, which are user inputs, this seems to be in the same category. Thanks Tran -Original Message- From: public-device-apis-requ...@w3.org [mailto:public-device-apis-requ...@w3.org]

RE: Joystick support

2011-08-25 Thread Tran, Dzung D
Also, there are some interests from our TV group to support such devices similar to Wii Remote. Thanks Tran -Original Message- From: public-device-apis-requ...@w3.org [mailto:public-device-apis-requ...@w3.org] On Behalf Of Tran, Dzung D Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 7:23 AM To: Robin

Re: Component Model Update

2011-08-25 Thread John J Barton
On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 1:41 AM, Olli Pettay olli.pet...@helsinki.fiwrote: One thing missing is some kind of declarative way to define shadow trees, similar to XBL1's content. I think this omission is a big plus. XBL1 content is mysterious. If a dev tool wants to add support for building

Re: Component Model Update

2011-08-25 Thread Tab Atkins Jr.
On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 1:41 AM, Olli Pettay olli.pet...@helsinki.fi wrote: One thing missing is some kind of declarative way to define shadow trees, similar to XBL1's content. It would be rather strange if one needs to explicitly construct shadow tree after the element is created. I know we

[Component Model] Declarative syntax for shadow DOM subtrees, was Re: Component Model Update

2011-08-25 Thread Dimitri Glazkov
On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 8:35 AM, Tab Atkins Jr. jackalm...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 1:41 AM, Olli Pettay olli.pet...@helsinki.fi wrote: One thing missing is some kind of declarative way to define shadow trees, similar to XBL1's content. It would be rather strange if one needs

Re: Joystick support

2011-08-25 Thread Scott Graham
Thanks all, On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 2:54 AM, Robin Berjon ro...@berjon.com wrote: ... That being said, if there's support for doing this work (in the form of people willing to put in the work of writing the spec and implementers willing to prototype and provide feedback) I'd be very happy

Re: HTTP, websockets, and redirects

2011-08-25 Thread Brian Raymor
On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 9:01 AM, Arthur Barstow art.bars...@nokia.com wrote: Hi All, Bugzilla now reports only 2 bugs for the Web Socket API [WSAPI] and I would characterize them both as editorial [Bugs]. As such, the redirect issue Thomas originally reported in this thread (see

Re: [selectors-api] Return an Array instead of a static NodeList

2011-08-25 Thread Aryeh Gregor
On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 2:33 AM, Jonas Sicking jo...@sicking.cc wrote: That works, but what is the advantage? The same advantage as having those methods work for Array. :) They're useful for lots of stuff. And .push/.pop or other mutating functions wouldn't work. Right. I'm only talking

RE: [indexeddb] Updates to the IDBCursor.advance method text and exception list.

2011-08-25 Thread Eliot Graff
I made these changes. E -Original Message- From: public-webapps-requ...@w3.org [mailto:public-webapps- requ...@w3.org] On Behalf Of Jonas Sicking Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 7:20 PM To: Israel Hilerio Cc: public-webapps@w3.org; Tom Bolds Subject: Re: [indexeddb] Updates to the

Re: how to organize the DOM specs [Was: CfC: publish new WD of DOM Core]

2011-08-25 Thread Karl Dubost
Le 22 août 2011 à 05:47, James Graham a écrit : Small specs encourage people - including the spec editors - to perceive that features are more self-contained than they really are Note that in some circumstances it might have some benefits in forcing orthogonality. Our tools and cultural

[Bug 13908] New: WordStar semantics aren't supported

2011-08-25 Thread bugzilla
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13908 Summary: WordStar semantics aren't supported Product: WebAppsWG Version: unspecified Platform: PC OS/Version: All Status: NEW Severity: normal Priority: P5

[Bug 13909] New: Selections have three possible directions, not two

2011-08-25 Thread bugzilla
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13909 Summary: Selections have three possible directions, not two Product: WebAppsWG Version: unspecified Platform: PC OS/Version: All Status: NEW Severity: normal

[Bug 13910] New: There can never be no active range

2011-08-25 Thread bugzilla
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13910 Summary: There can never be no active range Product: WebAppsWG Version: unspecified Platform: PC OS/Version: All Status: NEW Severity: normal Priority: P2

[Bug 13911] New: Active range's definition relies on the context object but there might not be one

2011-08-25 Thread bugzilla
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13911 Summary: Active range's definition relies on the context object but there might not be one Product: WebAppsWG Version: unspecified Platform: PC OS/Version: All

[Bug 13913] New: Attributes don't have an order

2011-08-25 Thread bugzilla
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13913 Summary: Attributes don't have an order Product: WebAppsWG Version: unspecified Platform: PC OS/Version: All Status: NEW Severity: normal Priority: P2

Re: Mouse Lock

2011-08-25 Thread Vincent Scheib
Continuing the discussion of some of the open issues I'm aware of: -- If MouseEvent types are returned under mouse lock, what should .clientX/Y and screenX/Y be? -- Spec as drafted states they should be the center of the target element. That's likely a poor idea, as discussed, and a better

Re: xdash name prefixes (was Re: Component Model Update)

2011-08-25 Thread Adam Barth
On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 5:18 PM, Tab Atkins Jr. jackalm...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 5:12 PM, Adam Barth w...@adambarth.com wrote: On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 2:30 PM, Dominic Cooney domin...@google.com wrote: On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 2:03 AM, Dimitri Glazkov dglaz...@chromium.org

Re: [WebIDL] remove modules

2011-08-25 Thread Cameron McCormack
Paddy Byers: WAC does refer to interfaces defined in one module from another module; however, we have not been using scoped names for these references - we use the unqualified interface name. More or less every WAC module does this. Cameron McCormack: If WAC is already considering these names

Re: Joystick support

2011-08-25 Thread Charles McCathieNevile
On Thu, 25 Aug 2011 16:23:19 +0200, Tran, Dzung D dzung.d.t...@intel.com wrote: This seems like it could fit more into the Web Events WG. In the Web Events, we deal with touch events, which are user inputs, this seems to be in the same category. Yes, I also think this belongs in Web

Re: how to organize the DOM specs [Was: CfC: publish new WD of DOM Core]

2011-08-25 Thread Jonas Sicking
On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 2:47 AM, James Graham jgra...@opera.com wrote: On 08/22/2011 11:22 AM, Jonas Sicking wrote: http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/complete/ I *always* used the much smaller document that used to be available here: