Re: Copying multi-range selection

2015-08-18 Thread Richard Ishida
On 15/08/2015 22:24, Phillips, Addison wrote: This appears to make visual selection appealing--although it doesn't, for the reasons mentioned elsewhere, lead to sensible text operations unless the selected run happens to be all in a single direction. and if the text runs all in a single

RE: Copying multi-range selection

2015-08-18 Thread Phillips, Addison
This appears to make visual selection appealing--although it doesn't, for the reasons mentioned elsewhere, lead to sensible text operations unless the selected run happens to be all in a single direction. and if the text runs all in a single direction, there's no difference between

RE: Copying multi-range selection

2015-08-15 Thread Phillips, Addison
what's the use case driving this, and where are the requirements coming from? i ask because i'm inclined to think that the circumstances in which this would a produce useful results, given the way it carves up the actual content, are quite, perhaps extremely, limited. Well, the web

Re: Copying multi-range selection

2015-08-15 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 9:04 PM, Richard Ishida ish...@w3.org wrote: my question was specifically, why do it in a non-standard way for bidi text? (typical scenario is split visual but one range internally) Which is not great for users, right? Also, as Addison points out, it's unclear how that

Re: Copying multi-range selection

2015-08-15 Thread Mark Davis ☕️
We worked on this some years ago, and found that the cut/copy/paste were very, very complicated to get to be natural, and ended up dropping it. The problem is that if ...ABC... are adjacent ranges on the screen in the source (each letter is a range), people expect to see ...ABC... when it is

Re: Copying multi-range selection

2015-08-15 Thread Richard Ishida
On 15/08/2015 06:19, Anne van Kesteren wrote: On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 12:10 AM, Ryosuke Niwa rn...@apple.com wrote: We've been recently exploring ways to select bidirectional text and content that uses new CSS layout modes such as flex box in visually contagious manner. Because visually

Re: Copying multi-range selection

2015-08-15 Thread Wafaa Mohiy
Hi Anne, Not sure if this would answer your question, but in general, when it comes to BiDi you need to differentiate between the physical order (what is in memory, e.g, ABC) and the logical order (what the user expects to see (e.g., CBA). At the same time to handle copy/paste, you will be

Re: Copying multi-range selection

2015-08-15 Thread Johannes Wilm
On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 8:38 AM, Anne van Kesteren ann...@annevk.nl wrote: On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 10:23 AM, Richard Ishida ish...@w3.org wrote: what's the use case driving this, and where are the requirements coming from? i ask because i'm inclined to think that the circumstances in

Re: Copying multi-range selection

2015-08-15 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 10:23 AM, Richard Ishida ish...@w3.org wrote: what's the use case driving this, and where are the requirements coming from? i ask because i'm inclined to think that the circumstances in which this would a produce useful results, given the way it carves up the actual

RE: Copying multi-range selection

2015-08-15 Thread Matitiahu Allouche
Cc: public-webapps; Ehsan Akhgari; Aryeh Gregor; public-editing-tf; www-internatio...@w3.org Subject: Re: Copying multi-range selection On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 12:10 AM, Ryosuke Niwa rn...@apple.com wrote: We've been recently exploring ways to select bidirectional text and content that uses

Copying multi-range selection

2015-08-14 Thread Ryosuke Niwa
Hi all, We've been recently exploring ways to select bidirectional text and content that uses new CSS layout modes such as flex box in visually contagious manner. Because visually contagious range of content may not be contagious in DOM order, doing so involves creating a disjoint multi-range

Re: Copying multi-range selection

2015-08-14 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 12:10 AM, Ryosuke Niwa rn...@apple.com wrote: We've been recently exploring ways to select bidirectional text and content that uses new CSS layout modes such as flex box in visually contagious manner. Because visually contagious range of content may not be contagious