From: Rafael Weinsteinrafa...@google.com mailto:rafa...@google.com?Subject=Re%3A%20Model-driven%20ViewsIn-Reply-To=%253CBANLkTimZcXiO8U8xHg2Y6eT4igixkCiF7w%40mail.gmail.com%253EReferences=%253CBANLkTimZcXiO8U8xHg2Y6eT4igixkCiF7w%40mail.gmail.com%253E
It sounds like the group wants to proceed by
Thanks everyone for your consideration.
It sounds like the group wants to proceed by looking first at missing
primitives. Maciej is right that one of them is the ability to declare
inert DOM structures, but my feeling is that it's probably best to
start with the central problem:
-There's no way
On 5/6/11, Rafael Weinstein rafa...@google.com wrote:
Thanks everyone for your consideration.
It sounds like the group wants to proceed by looking first at missing
primitives.
Missing primitives? What do you mean?
--
Garrett
Rafael,
I am co-chair of the W3C Forms Working Group.
As Charles McCathieNevile pointed out in this discussion:
It probably makes sense to ask the Forms group as well, given that it
doesn't require much squinting to get to the perspective where you're
pretty much reinventing a wheel they've
.org/2010/webapps/charter/
[XG] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/about.html
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Subject:Re: Model-driven Views
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From: ext Rafael
or whatwg, I
think.)
-Olli
-Art Barstow
[Charter] http://www.w3.org/2010/webapps/charter/
[XG] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/about.html
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Subject: Re: Model-driven Views
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Apologies. I feel like I have failed to properly contextualize this issue.
Let me back up and see if I can't help create a different frame of
reference. This email is already too long so I've avoided examples.
Please let me know what isn't apparent and I'll explain further.
1) Imperative
On 5/2/11, Rafael Weinstein rafa...@google.com wrote:
Apologies. I feel like I have failed to properly contextualize this issue.
Let me back up and see if I can't help create a different frame of
reference. This email is already too long so I've avoided examples.
Please let me know what isn't
On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 02:35:53 +0200, Rafael Weinstein rafa...@google.com
wrote:
Myself and a few other chromium folks have been working on a design
for a formalized separation between View and Model in the browser,
with needs of web applications being the primary motivator.
Our ideas are
On 04/29/2011 04:11 AM, Garrett Smith wrote:
On 4/28/11, Olli Pettayolli.pet...@helsinki.fi wrote:
On 04/28/2011 04:46 AM, Rafael Weinstein wrote:
Would be good to know what are the use cases you had in mind.
I'm never sure if I'm using the term use case correctly =-).
Our primary
On Apr 28, 2011, at 5:46 AM, Alex Russell wrote:
On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 12:09 PM, Maciej Stachowiak m...@apple.com wrote:
On Apr 28, 2011, at 2:33 AM, Jonas Sicking wrote:
I agree with much of this. However it's hard to judge without a bit
more meat on it. Do you have any ideas for
On Apr 27, 2011, at 6:46 PM, Rafael Weinstein wrote:
What do you think?
- Is this something you'd like to be implemented in the browsers,
Yes.
and if yes, why? What would be the reasons to not just use script
libraries (like your prototype).
FAQ item also coming for this.
On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 2:02 AM, Maciej Stachowiak m...@apple.com wrote:
On Apr 27, 2011, at 6:46 PM, Rafael Weinstein wrote:
What do you think?
- Is this something you'd like to be implemented in the browsers,
Yes.
and if yes, why? What would be the reasons to not just use script
On Apr 28, 2011, at 2:33 AM, Jonas Sicking wrote:
On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 2:02 AM, Maciej Stachowiak m...@apple.com wrote:
On Apr 27, 2011, at 6:46 PM, Rafael Weinstein wrote:
What do you think?
- Is this something you'd like to be implemented in the browsers,
Yes.
and
On 04/28/2011 12:02 PM, Maciej Stachowiak wrote:
On Apr 27, 2011, at 6:46 PM, Rafael Weinstein wrote:
What do you think?
- Is this something you'd like to be implemented in the
browsers,
Yes.
and if yes, why? What would be the reasons to not just use
script libraries (like your
On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 7:32 AM, Tab Atkins Jr. jackalm...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 9:14 PM, Boris Zbarsky bzbar...@mit.edu wrote:
On 4/22/11 8:35 PM, Rafael Weinstein wrote:
Myself and a few other chromium folks have been working on a design
for a formalized separation between
On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 12:09 PM, Maciej Stachowiak m...@apple.com wrote:
On Apr 28, 2011, at 2:33 AM, Jonas Sicking wrote:
On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 2:02 AM, Maciej Stachowiak m...@apple.com wrote:
On Apr 27, 2011, at 6:46 PM, Rafael Weinstein wrote:
What do you think?
- Is this
On 04/28/2011 04:46 AM, Rafael Weinstein wrote:
Would be good to know what are the use cases you had in mind.
I'm never sure if I'm using the term use case correctly =-).
Our primary motivator is the needs of web applications,
And what are those needs? It is hard to judge the proposal
if
On 4/28/11, Olli Pettay olli.pet...@helsinki.fi wrote:
On 04/28/2011 04:46 AM, Rafael Weinstein wrote:
Would be good to know what are the use cases you had in mind.
I'm never sure if I'm using the term use case correctly =-).
Our primary motivator is the needs of web applications,
And
HI Rafael,
few random comments, or mainly just random questions :)
On 04/23/2011 03:35 AM, Rafael Weinstein wrote:
Myself and a few other chromium folks have been working on a design
for a formalized separation between View and Model in the browser,
with needs of web applications being the
On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 08:33, Olli Pettay olli.pet...@helsinki.fi wrote:
Not sure why this had some relation with XBL. Unless you are
planning to put the template based DOM nodes to anonymous DOM.
The relation to XBL is that XBL has a template element and inside it
you can bind attributes and
On 04/27/2011 09:13 PM, Erik Arvidsson wrote:
On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 08:33, Olli Pettayolli.pet...@helsinki.fi wrote:
Not sure why this had some relation with XBL. Unless you are
planning to put the template based DOM nodes to anonymous DOM.
The relation to XBL is that XBL has a template
On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 11:47 AM, Olli Pettay olli.pet...@helsinki.fi wrote:
On 04/27/2011 09:13 PM, Erik Arvidsson wrote:
1. We wanttemplate to be able to contain arbitrary content that is
used as the content of the instances that are created from it. Now
assume that the template element
Hi Olli,
Thanks very much for taking time to read digest our design.
I'm going to use this thread to start a FAQ on our project site. Some
of these questions have answers that deserve more detail than is wise
to put in an email =-).
On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 8:33 AM, Olli Pettay
On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 9:14 PM, Boris Zbarsky bzbar...@mit.edu wrote:
On 4/22/11 8:35 PM, Rafael Weinstein wrote:
Myself and a few other chromium folks have been working on a design
for a formalized separation between View and Model in the browser,
with needs of web applications being the
Hi Rafael,
On Apr/22/2011 8:35 PM, ext Rafael Weinstein wrote:
Myself and a few other chromium folks have been working on a design
for a formalized separation between View and Model in the browser,
with needs of web applications being the primary motivator.
Our ideas are implemented as an
The model-based UI effort is focused on UI design and making it easier
to maintain, as well as adaptation to different contexts, and support
for accessibility. As such authors wouldn't work with HTML5 directly, as
this would be generated automatically from the models, guided by the
author's
Thank, Nathan.
I hadn't known of Knockout, but it looks pretty great. Conceptually,
its design is very similar to MDV. Notably, the two big items:
-Observable JS object properties and Arrays.
-DOM-based template production (although they work with JQuery
templates which are string-based).
The
Myself and a few other chromium folks have been working on a design
for a formalized separation between View and Model in the browser,
with needs of web applications being the primary motivator.
Our ideas are implemented as an experimental Javascript library:
https://code.google.com/p/mdv/ and
Have you heard of knockout.js? It's an MVVM pattern based on JQuery, if
you're not aware of it you may be interested to see their approach.
Official site:
http://knockoutjs.com/
Recent MIX event:
http://channel9.msdn.com/Events/MIX/MIX11/FRM08
Just FYI as it was related...
On 23 April 2011
On 4/22/11 8:35 PM, Rafael Weinstein wrote:
Myself and a few other chromium folks have been working on a design
for a formalized separation between View and Model in the browser,
with needs of web applications being the primary motivator.
Our ideas are implemented as an experimental Javascript
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