Re: Required support for SVG in widgets

2009-02-06 Thread Robin Berjon
Hi Nick, On Feb 5, 2009, at 18:04 , Nick Allott wrote: To clarify: BONDI work would have been introduced to W3C activity earlier in the process, however, we have been fighting the internal (and cross organisational) processes surrounding IPR regimes. This is now fully clarified – and

Re: Required support for SVG in widgets

2009-02-05 Thread Robin Berjon
On Feb 4, 2009, at 20:05 , Marcos Caceres wrote: Yep. But like Charles said, it should be the other way around: Bondi specs should be brought to the W3C for standardization once they are ready. If the specs are done, implemented, and have an associated test-suite, then standardization through

Re: Required support for SVG in widgets

2009-02-05 Thread Nick Allott
Apologies for entering thread late. To clarify: BONDI work would have been introduced to W3C activity earlier in the process, however, we have been fighting the internal (and cross organisational) processes surrounding IPR regimes. This is now fully clarified - and formal inputs will be

Re: Required support for SVG in widgets

2009-02-05 Thread Marcos Caceres
On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 3:03 PM, Robin Berjon ro...@berjon.com wrote: On Feb 4, 2009, at 20:05 , Marcos Caceres wrote: Yep. But like Charles said, it should be the other way around: Bondi specs should be brought to the W3C for standardization once they are ready. If the specs are done,

Re: Required support for SVG in widgets

2009-02-04 Thread Marcos Caceres
Hi Robin, On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 11:29 AM, Robin Berjon ro...@berjon.com wrote: On Feb 4, 2009, at 02:20 , Marcos Caceres wrote: On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 11:22 PM, Jonas Sicking jo...@sicking.cc wrote: Is there a reason to require any formats? In very few places we do this. For example the

Re: Required support for SVG in widgets

2009-02-04 Thread Jon Ferraiolo
The Web Apps WG should create yet another (short) widget spec, which would be an Open Web profile spec that simply provides a checklist for two interoperability levels for conformance. In both profiles, the user agent would be required to implement all of the various Widgets spec. One

Re: Required support for SVG in widgets

2009-02-04 Thread Robin Berjon
Hi Marcos, On Feb 3, 2009, at 20:54 , Marcos Caceres wrote: Ok, I've added SVG as a default start file type to the editor's draft (I'll commit it to CVS later today). However, as this is a significant addition, the Working Group will have to reach a resolution on this (or raise objections

Re: Required support for SVG in widgets

2009-02-04 Thread Robin Berjon
On Feb 4, 2009, at 00:22 , Jonas Sicking wrote: Is there a reason to require any formats? Interoperability? In very few places we do this. For example the HTML and CSS specs don't require support for JPEG, GIF or PNG. Neither HTML or SVG require support for javascript. Well, my point was

Re: Required support for SVG in widgets

2009-02-04 Thread Robin Berjon
On Feb 4, 2009, at 15:13 , Marcos Caceres wrote: To be clear, formats that need to be supported by a user agent will not be mandated in the Widgets PC specification, which is only concerned with packaging and configuration. This solution addresses my concerns, thank you very much for your

Re: Required support for SVG in widgets

2009-02-04 Thread Robin Berjon
Hi Jon, On Feb 4, 2009, at 00:14 , Jon Ferraiolo wrote: *IF* the WG decides to somehow promote SVG into a required format for some features in the widgets spec, then either the spec or implementations have to figure out how to deal with time-based behaviors (e.g., animations) and

Re: Required support for SVG in widgets

2009-02-04 Thread Marcos Caceres
On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 6:48 PM, Jon Ferraiolo jfer...@us.ibm.com wrote: Hi Charles, Just because the OMTP is pay-to-play doesn't mean their efforts are wrong. (Isn't W3C pay-to-play also?) My understanding is that all of the BONDI technologies will be RF and published as open standards, and

Re: Required support for SVG in widgets

2009-02-04 Thread Charles McCathieNevile
On Wed, 04 Feb 2009 19:48:38 +0100, Jon Ferraiolo jfer...@us.ibm.com wrote: Hi Charles, Just because the OMTP is pay-to-play doesn't mean their efforts are wrong. (Isn't W3C pay-to-play also?) My understanding is that all of the BONDI technologies will be RF and published as open

W3C is Not Pay-to-Play (was: Required support for SVG in widgets)

2009-02-04 Thread Doug Schepers
Hi, Jon- Jon Ferraiolo wrote (on 2/4/09 11:48 AM): Just because the OMTP is pay-to-play doesn't mean their efforts are wrong. (Isn't W3C pay-to-play also?) I don't know enough about the OMTP structure to judge whether they are pay-to-play... but W3C is definitely not pay-to-play. W3C is

Re: Required support for SVG in widgets

2009-02-03 Thread Jon Ferraiolo
Hi Marcos, *IF* the WG decides to somehow promote SVG into a required format for some features in the widgets spec, then either the spec or implementations have to figure out how to deal with time-based behaviors (e.g., animations) and interactive behaviors (e.g., hyperlinks, onload, onclick,

Re: Required support for SVG in widgets

2009-02-03 Thread Jonas Sicking
Is there a reason to require any formats? In very few places we do this. For example the HTML and CSS specs don't require support for JPEG, GIF or PNG. Neither HTML or SVG require support for javascript. Is there a reason for the widget spec to be different? / Jonas On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at

Re: Required support for SVG in widgets

2009-02-03 Thread Marcos Caceres
Hi Robin, On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 5:54 PM, Robin Berjon ro...@berjon.com wrote: Hi, I'm sorry if this was discussed earlier, but I have no recollection of it being brought up and I can't seem to dig up a reference to this issue from the archives of the public lists of this WG or its previous

Re: Required support for SVG in widgets

2009-02-03 Thread Marcos Caceres
On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 11:22 PM, Jonas Sicking jo...@sicking.cc wrote: Is there a reason to require any formats? In very few places we do this. For example the HTML and CSS specs don't require support for JPEG, GIF or PNG. Neither HTML or SVG require support for javascript. Is there a reason

Re: Required support for SVG in widgets

2009-02-03 Thread Scott Shattuck
On Feb 3, 2009, at 4:22 PM, Jonas Sicking wrote: Is there a reason to require any formats? In very few places we do this. For example the HTML and CSS specs don't require support for JPEG, GIF or PNG. Neither HTML or SVG require support for javascript. Is there a reason for the widget spec

Re: Required support for SVG in widgets

2009-02-03 Thread Boris Zbarsky
Scott Shattuck wrote: From the SVG Specification, Section G.7 Conforming SVG Viewers ... Specific criteria that apply to only /Conforming Dynamic SVG Viewers/: * *The viewer must have complete support for an ECMAScript binding of the **SVG Document Object Model*