Re: Shrinking existing libraries as a goal

2012-05-18 Thread Jonas Sicking
On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 3:21 PM, Yehuda Katz wyc...@gmail.com wrote: I am working on it. I was just getting some feedback on the general idea before I sunk a bunch of time in it. For what it's worth, I definitely support this idea too on a general level. However as others have pointed out, the

Spec Bugs and Test Suites [Was: Re: Shrinking existing libraries as a goal]

2012-05-18 Thread Arthur Barstow
On 5/17/12 7:03 PM, ext Julian Aubourg wrote: To me the biggest abomination of all is Just a reminder that WebApps' [PubStatus] page enumerates all of its specs and for each spec, there (or will be): a) a link to the spec's Bugzilla component; b) a link to the spec's Test Suite. Finally,

Comments, Spec Bugs and Test Case are Always Welcome! [Was: Re: Shrinking existing libraries as a goal]

2012-05-18 Thread Arthur Barstow
[ My previous response was accidentally sent before it should have been (delete it) ... ] On 5/17/12 7:03 PM, ext Julian Aubourg wrote: To me the biggest Comments on all of WebApps' specs are always welcome, regardless of where the spec is in the W3C's Recommendation process. I've been

Re: Shrinking existing libraries as a goal

2012-05-18 Thread Brian Kardell
A related TL;DR observation... While we may get 5 things that really help shrink the current set of problems, it adds APIs which inevitably introduce new ones. In the meantime, nothing stands still - lots of specs are introducing lots of new APIs. Today's 'modern browsers' are the ones we are

Re: [fullscreen] fullscreenEnabled and the fullscreen enabled flag

2012-05-18 Thread Anne van Kesteren
Chris Pearce is not on this mailing list. Chris are you okay with moving discussion to here? Anyone else who should be kept in the loop? On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 11:21 PM, Edward O'Connor eocon...@apple.com wrote: Document.fullscreenEnabled is not defined in normative spec prose. It is

Re: Implied Context Parsing (DocumentFragment.innerHTML, or similar) proposal details to be sorted out

2012-05-18 Thread Ryosuke Niwa
Not that I want to start another bike-shedding, there is one clear distinction between innerHTML and createDocumentFragment, which is that innerHTML sets already-started flag on parsed script elements but createDocumentFragment does not (or rather it unsets it after the fragment parsing algorithm

Re: Shrinking existing libraries as a goal

2012-05-18 Thread Maciej Stachowiak
On May 17, 2012, at 10:58 PM, Jonas Sicking jo...@sicking.cc wrote: On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 3:21 PM, Yehuda Katz wyc...@gmail.com wrote: I am working on it. I was just getting some feedback on the general idea before I sunk a bunch of time in it. For what it's worth, I definitely support

Proposal: add websocket close codes for server not found and/or too many websockets open

2012-05-18 Thread Jason Duell
So the Web Socket spec is a little vague on how JS is notified when the targeted web socket server is down/nonexistent/etc. Firefox is firing an 'error' event when this happens, based on the language here in the W3C spec: if the status code received from the server is not 101 (e.g. it is a

Re: Shrinking existing libraries as a goal

2012-05-18 Thread Julian Aubourg
To me the biggest abomination of all is the XMLHttpRequest object: - the spec is probably one of the most complex I've seen - yet, vast portions are left to interpretations or even not specified at all: - the local filesystem comes to mind, - also every browser has its own

Proposal: add websocket close codes for server not found and/or too many websockets open

2012-05-18 Thread Jason Duell
So the Web Socket spec is a little vague on how JS is notified when the targeted web socket server is down/nonexistent/etc. Firefox is firing an 'error' event when this happens, based on the language here in the W3C spec: if the status code received from the server is not 101 (e.g. it is a