Re: Fixing appcache: a proposal to get us started

2013-11-25 Thread pira...@gmail.com
The web is server + client sides. Trying to fix issues you have with client technologies only (appcache, JavaScript, ...) will always be a bad choice. I disagree, Javascript and web browsers are becoming powerful enough to delegate servers to their barebones, just offering storage or databases

[Bug 23787] Clarify that which HTTP entity body is referred in ProgressEvent spec

2013-11-25 Thread bugzilla
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=23787 Anne ann...@annevk.nl changed: What|Removed |Added Status|REOPENED|RESOLVED

Re: Fixing appcache: a proposal to get us started

2013-11-25 Thread Remi Grumeau
The web is server + client sides. Trying to fix issues you have with client technologies only (appcache, JavaScript, ...) will always be a bad choice. I disagree, Javascript and web browsers are becoming powerful enough to delegate servers to their barebones, just offering storage or

Re: Fixing appcache: a proposal to get us started

2013-11-25 Thread pira...@gmail.com
To be available offline, the device has to hit a server first, then the appcache magic happens. Obviously. No reason the server couldn't prepare / select what to send to the device: iOS won't support WebM anytime soon, there is no reason to constantly ask iOS device the same info again

Re: Fixing appcache: a proposal to get us started

2013-11-25 Thread James Greene
Your manifest file should be dynamically generated by your server, based on what you know about the user's browser. Now you have one single manifest file which is easier for updates, + server-side language comments so documentation is easy. The web is server + client sides. Trying to fix issues

Re: Fixing appcache: a proposal to get us started

2013-11-25 Thread pira...@gmail.com
Why not attempt to give the browser-side manifest functionality the ability to feature test for file support instead? Then the browsers can be the trusted source instead of everyone having to create new divergent browser file support inference hacks. This seems to me that this is some kind of

Re: Fixing appcache: a proposal to get us started

2013-11-25 Thread Remi Grumeau
Le 25 nov. 2013 à 17:27, James Greene james.m.gre...@gmail.com a écrit : Your manifest file should be dynamically generated by your server, based on what you know about the user's browser. Now you have one single manifest file which is easier for updates, + server-side language

Re: Fixing appcache: a proposal to get us started

2013-11-25 Thread James Greene
This seems to me that this is some kind of add scripting habilities to the AppCache manifest, while we already have Javascript, and allowing it to do that will lead us to something fairly similar (in fact, a sub-set) of what ServiceWorkers can do. Why duplicate efforts then? Manifest files

[Bug 13913] Attributes don't have an order

2013-11-25 Thread bugzilla
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13913 Bug 13913 depends on bug 13912, which changed state. Bug 13912 Summary: What order are attributes in? https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13912 What|Removed |Added

[Bug 13913] Attributes don't have an order

2013-11-25 Thread bugzilla
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13913 Ian 'Hixie' Hickson i...@hixie.ch changed: What|Removed |Added Status|RESOLVED|REOPENED

Re: Fixing appcache: a proposal to get us started

2013-11-25 Thread pira...@gmail.com
1. I'm not advocating for full scriptability, just basic support detection, e.g.: `if accepts(audio/ogg) ...` Some kind of basic scriptability like the one on CSS, isn't it? Ok, it's good. The main problem I'd see there is if the browser also needs to know what plugins (or

RE: publish LCWD of DOM Parsing and Serialization; deadline November 25

2013-11-25 Thread Travis Leithead
I've finished the major updates. Today's ED draft at: https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/innerhtml/raw-file/tip/index.html should be ready to use as the baseline for the Last Call CfC. Thanks, Travis -Original Message- From: Travis Leithead Sent: Monday, November 18, 2013 11:26 AM To: Webapps WG

Cross Origin Web Components: Fixing iframes

2013-11-25 Thread Ryosuke Niwa
Hi, I have been having informal discussions of our earlier proposal for cross-orign use cases and declarative syntax for web components, and I realized there was a lot of confusion about our motivations and decision decisions. So I wanted to explain why/how we came up that proposal in this

RE: [testing] Seeking Test Facilitator(s) for Indexed Database API

2013-11-25 Thread Zhang, Zhiqiang
From: Arthur Barstow [mailto:art.bars...@nokia.com] Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2013 2:58 AM Please contact me if you can commit to helping with this effort and you have `relevant` experience. After reconsidering your invitation at TPAC about this, I would like to take this role and to