Re: contentEditable=minimal

2014-05-28 Thread Piotr Koszuliński
On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 11:01 AM, Robin Berjon ro...@w3.org wrote: On 25/05/2014 20:40 , Piotr Koszuliński wrote: Making some things unselectable might also be useful. IE has unselectable, there's also -moz-user-select and friends. But this is small fries for later I'd reckon.

Re: [manifest] Update and call for review

2014-05-28 Thread Ben Francis
As per our conversation in IRC, something else I'd like to highlight is the fact that in the current version of the spec any web site can host an app manifest for any web app. That means for example that I could create my own app store for web apps and provide a listing for a GMail app which users

Re: [manifest] Fetching restriction, Re: [manifest] Update and call for review

2014-05-28 Thread Ben Francis
On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 5:11 PM, Marcos Caceres w...@marcosc.com wrote: The only way one could do what you describe would be for my own app store to host its own manifests. So: http://myownappstore.com/gmail/index.html Would contain: link rel=manifest

Re: [manifest] Update and call for review

2014-05-28 Thread Ben Francis
On Mon, May 26, 2014 at 8:18 PM, Marcos Caceres w...@marcosc.com wrote: Quick update: the Editors have closed off all V1 bugs for [manifest] and implementations in Blink and Gecko are underway. A thorough review of [manifest] by interested parties would be greatly appreciated! You can file

[Bug 25908] New: Is element editable if it's hidden

2014-05-28 Thread bugzilla
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=25908 Bug ID: 25908 Summary: Is element editable if it's hidden Product: WebAppsWG Version: unspecified Hardware: PC OS: Linux Status: NEW Severity: normal

Re: [manifest] Fetching restriction, Re: [manifest] Update and call for review

2014-05-28 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 9:53 PM, Marcos Caceres w...@marcosc.com wrote: On May 27, 2014 at 3:31:15 PM, Ben Francis (bfran...@mozilla.com) wrote: One risk of allowing cross-origin manifests might be that these tailored app experiences are perceived by the actual app author and/or end users as a

Re: [manifest] Update and call for review

2014-05-28 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 3:25 PM, Ben Francis bfran...@mozilla.com wrote: As per our conversation in IRC, something else I'd like to highlight is the fact that in the current version of the spec any web site can host an app manifest for any web app. That means for example that I could create my

Re: [manifest] Fetching restriction, Re: [manifest] Update and call for review

2014-05-28 Thread Mounir Lamouri
On Wed, 28 May 2014, at 8:59, Jonas Sicking wrote: On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 12:39 PM, Marcos Caceres w...@marcosc.com wrote: On May 27, 2014 at 2:30:32 PM, Jonas Sicking (jo...@sicking.cc) wrote: On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 9:11 AM, Marcos Caceres wrote: The only way that gmail would allow

Re: [manifest] Fetching restriction, Re: [manifest] Update and call for review

2014-05-28 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 12:20 PM, Mounir Lamouri mou...@lamouri.fr wrote: Then, it might make sense to have the manifest same origin as the web page because obviously making start_url same origin as the manifest would be moot if the manifest doesn't have to be same origin with the web page ;)

Re: [manifest] Update and call for review

2014-05-28 Thread Ben Francis
On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 9:39 AM, Anne van Kesteren ann...@annevk.nl wrote: I don't understand this. That would you mean you'd have to modify the content of Gmail to point to this manifest. That sounds bad. To quote Marcos: The only way one could do what you describe would be for my own app

Re: [manifest] Update and call for review

2014-05-28 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 12:43 PM, Ben Francis bfran...@mozilla.com wrote: This is the scenario I was describing. Allowing this to happen has both benefits (easy to build huge app stores!) and risks (easy to build fake apps). That seems very confusing UI-wise. Also, this is the web, we don't

Re: [manifest] Fetching restriction, Re: [manifest] Update and call for review

2014-05-28 Thread Marcos Caceres
On Wednesday, May 28, 2014, Anne van Kesteren ann...@annevk.nl wrote: On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 12:20 PM, Mounir Lamouri mou...@lamouri.frjavascript:; wrote: Then, it might make sense to have the manifest same origin as the web page because obviously making start_url same origin as the

[Bug 24338] Spec should have Fetch for Blob URLs

2014-05-28 Thread bugzilla
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=24338 Bug 24338 depends on bug 25081, which changed state. Bug 25081 Summary: Make read operation really async https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=25081 What|Removed |Added

[Bug 25081] Make read operation really async

2014-05-28 Thread bugzilla
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=25081 Arun a...@mozilla.com changed: What|Removed |Added Status|NEW |RESOLVED

[Bug 25713] Formalize the Blob URL Syntax

2014-05-28 Thread bugzilla
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=25713 Arun a...@mozilla.com changed: What|Removed |Added Status|NEW |RESOLVED

[Bug 24998] What is the origin of a blob: URL?

2014-05-28 Thread bugzilla
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=24998 Arun a...@mozilla.com changed: What|Removed |Added Status|REOPENED|RESOLVED

[Bug 24338] Spec should have Fetch for Blob URLs

2014-05-28 Thread bugzilla
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=24338 Bug 24338 depends on bug 24998, which changed state. Bug 24998 Summary: What is the origin of a blob: URL? https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=24998 What|Removed |Added

RE: [editing] CommandEvent and contentEditable=minimal Explainer

2014-05-28 Thread Ben Peters
Great idea! If Intention Events (Clipboard, Selection, Command) cover all of the editing operations that a site would want to handle themselves, we don’t need CE Min as a feature, only a concept that can achieved with preventDefault(). From: Julie Parent [mailto:jpar...@gmail.com] Sent:

RE: [editing] CommandEvent and contentEditable=minimal Explainer

2014-05-28 Thread Travis Leithead
Be careful with having events fire before the DOM is updated—at a minimum you’ll want to consider whether you will allow dangerous situations like the legacy MutationEvents could cause (start a change - pre-change notification - make another change - pre-change notification … unexpected things

Re: [editing] CommandEvent and contentEditable=minimal Explainer

2014-05-28 Thread Piotr Koszuliński
But what is the default behaviour then? What will we be preventing? There's no accepted specification for current contentEditable=true AFAIK, so I thought that the goal of contentEditable=minimal is to avoid the need to write a specification for contentEditable=true. Otherwise, developers may

Re: Blob URL Origin

2014-05-28 Thread Arun Ranganathan
On May 22, 2014, at 4:29 AM, Anne van Kesteren ann...@annevk.nl wrote: Thanks, I'm convinced. So now I'd like to know what policy we want so we can carefully define it. The lastest editor’s draft of the File API specifies what we discussed in this email thread as syntax for Blob URLs:

CfC: publish Candidate Recommendation of DOM Parsing and Serialization; deadline June 4

2014-05-28 Thread Arthur Barstow
[ Bcc public-webapps; please Reply-to: www-dom] Two bugs were raised against the May 1 LCWD of DOM Parsing and Serialization [LC]. Travis created a tracking document for these Bugs [Track] and considers the two patches ([P1] and [P2]) that address the comments as non-substantive. As such, he

RE: [editing] CommandEvent and contentEditable=minimal Explainer

2014-05-28 Thread Ben Peters
I don’t think we need to specify the default behavior. We can instead just say that all editing behaviors must fire Intention events that are cancellable. Any events that are already defined (like Clipboard) will continue to work, and others should fire CommandEvents as necessary. We will