RE: RE: Potential bugs identified in XHR LC Test Suite

2008-06-18 Thread Ian Hickson
On Wed, 18 Jun 2008, Zhenbin Xu wrote: > > In the case there isn't clear technical differences, I don't think we > should pick the right solution based on implementer's cost. Rather We > should base it on customer impact. A bank with 6000 applications built > on top of IE's current APIs simply

RE: responseXML/responseText exceptions and parseError

2008-06-18 Thread Ian Hickson
On Wed, 18 Jun 2008, Zhenbin Xu wrote: > > [Zhenbin Xu] Regardless what different browser does today, rich parsing > error is an important feature for developers. I have found it can > pinpoint the exact problem that otherwise would have been difficult to > identify when I sent incorrectly con

Re: [Widgets] Requirements LC

2008-06-18 Thread Marcos Caceres
On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 8:41 PM, timeless <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 6/18/08, Marcos Caceres <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> R28. Network State Change Events >> >> A conforming specification must specify a means that allows authors to >> check if the widget resource is connected to Web. A co

RE: RE: Potential bugs identified in XHR LC Test Suite

2008-06-18 Thread Zhenbin Xu
It seems we are in agreement, mostly :-) The point of a fictional browser is that it has no market share, no application built on top of it and thus would not cause customer pain when it changes implementation. In the case there isn't clear technical differences, I don't think we should pick t

RE: responseXML/responseText exceptions and parseError

2008-06-18 Thread Zhenbin Xu
Inline... > -Original Message- > From: Jonas Sicking [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 3:37 PM > To: Anne van Kesteren > Cc: Zhenbin Xu; Sunava Dutta; IE8 Core AJAX SWAT Team; public- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: responseXML/responseText exceptions and parseErr

Re: Opting in to cookies - proposal version 3

2008-06-18 Thread Ian Hickson
On Wed, 18 Jun 2008, Jonas Sicking wrote: > > Most of the feedback I got from my previous proposal was in regards to > the nested uri scheme solution, which wasn't really a critical part of > the proposal. So here is an alternative proposal which doesn't use the > nested schemes but rather a s

Opting in to cookies - proposal version 3

2008-06-18 Thread Jonas Sicking
Hi All, Most of the feedback I got from my previous proposal was in regards to the nested uri scheme solution, which wasn't really a critical part of the proposal. So here is an alternative proposal which doesn't use the nested schemes but rather a separate flag. Only the second paragraph i

Re: [widgets] icon text

2008-06-18 Thread Marcos Caceres
On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 7:42 AM, SUZANNE Benoit RD-SIRP-ISS <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Comparing 1 and 2, I'd go for 1 > > About the inner html, it is a good thing to allow, but if there are lots of > changes do we need this for this round or can it be added in later? > Yeah. I thought I would

Re: [widgets] icon text

2008-06-18 Thread SUZANNE Benoit RD-SIRP-ISS
Comparing 1 and 2, I'd go for 1 About the inner html, it is a good thing to allow, but if there are lots of changes do we need this for this round or can it be added in later? > > Benoit Suzanne > Widget Factory Project Manager - Orange Labs - FT/RD/SIRP/SOL/SLAM > t. +33 (0)145 298 198 - m.

Re: Wheel events (ISSUE-9)

2008-06-18 Thread Olli Pettay
Doug Schepers wrote: Hi, Olli- Olli Pettay wrote (on 6/18/08 4:40 PM): And that causes problems like http://mozilla.pettay.fi/moztests/pixelscrolling.mov Can you provide some context for what is going on in that video? What is the problem that illustrates? Does it relate to the scrolli

Re: Wheel events (ISSUE-9)

2008-06-18 Thread Doug Schepers
Hi, Olli- Olli Pettay wrote (on 6/18/08 4:40 PM): And that causes problems like http://mozilla.pettay.fi/moztests/pixelscrolling.mov Can you provide some context for what is going on in that video? What is the problem that illustrates? Does it relate to the scrolling vs. zooming of the

Re: Wheel events

2008-06-18 Thread Olli Pettay
Olli Pettay wrote: Hi all, ... So there are (at least) 5 options 1. only pixel delta - Web app can't know what delta value means a "line scroll" 2. events with both line and pixel scroll information (maybe also page scroll etc?) - Web apps would get all the needed information in one event

ISSUE-9 (Wheeling Units): How should wheel events represent pixel/line wheeling units? [DOM3 Events]

2008-06-18 Thread Web Applications Working Group Issue Tracker
ISSUE-9 (Wheeling Units): How should wheel events represent pixel/line wheeling units? [DOM3 Events] http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/track/issues/ Raised by: Doug Schepers On product: DOM3 Events Olli Pettay raised an issue about there being different types of wheeling/scrolling units; perhaps

Wheel events

2008-06-18 Thread Olli Pettay
Hi all, there has been some discussion about how wheel event should work, and what kind of information it should expose. The current DOM 3 Events (editor) draft has the legacy mousewheel event and also the new wheel event which has deltaX/Y/Z. The problem is that what delta means (especially in

Re: IRC logging

2008-06-18 Thread Lachlan Hunt
Doug Schepers wrote: Anne van Kesteren wrote (on 6/18/08 5:27 AM): Krijn Hoetmer volunteered for logging our IRC channel (#webapps on irc.w3.org:80) similarly to how he logs for the HTML WG, CSS WG, and WHATWG. (Also the public ARIA discussion channel I believe.) If you have any objections to

[minutes] DOM3 Events Telcon, 18 June 2008

2008-06-18 Thread Doug Schepers
Hi, WebApps Fans- Here are the minutes for the DOM 3 Events telcon of 18 June 2008: http://www.w3.org/2008/06/18-webapps-minutes.html Or as text below, for those who don't need elitist, schmancy HTML-formating: [1]W3C [1] http://www.w3.org/ - DRAFT

RE: Improving Communication and Expectations

2008-06-18 Thread Marc Silbey
Hey Marcos, I totally understand why you would be frustrated by our behavior here. I owe you, Anne, Art and the rest of the WAF group an apology for falling off the radar without telling you where I was going. I am definitely sorry for that. I remember having good conversations with you and ot

Re: Possible test for DOM Events

2008-06-18 Thread Olli Pettay
Hi, few comments, to make it easier to integrate the testsuite to other test systems (like mochitest), it might be useful to use some prefix in function and global variable names. Maybe w3c_ or dom3event_ ? Also, tests should be as automatic and as autonomic as possible - so shouldn't depend on

Re: IRC logging

2008-06-18 Thread Doug Schepers
Hi, Anne- Anne van Kesteren wrote (on 6/18/08 5:27 AM): Krijn Hoetmer volunteered for logging our IRC channel (#webapps on irc.w3.org:80) similarly to how he logs for the HTML WG, CSS WG, and WHATWG. (Also the public ARIA discussion channel I believe.) If you have any objections to this ple

[Progress Events] unsigned long long for .loaded and .total

2008-06-18 Thread Olli Pettay
Hi all, I think it would be better to use unsigned long long for ..loaded and for .total. That way progress events could be more useful for streaming and file transfer applications. unsigned long isn't big enough. br, Olli

DOM3 Events Telcon Agenda, 18 June 2008 (Today!!)

2008-06-18 Thread Doug Schepers
Hi WebApps Fans- This is a reminder that we will have a DOM 3 Events telcon today, 18 June. Please reply to public-webapps@w3.org to express regrets if you cannot attend. The regular time is Wednesdays, 18:30-20:00 UTC. See the DOM3 Events wiki page for timezones adjustments. [1] The tentativ

Re: [Widgets] Requirements LC

2008-06-18 Thread timeless
On 6/18/08, Marcos Caceres <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > R28. Network State Change Events > > A conforming specification must specify a means that allows authors to > check if the widget resource is connected to Web. A conforming _the_ Web However would you please explain what it means? I've

IRC logging

2008-06-18 Thread Anne van Kesteren
Hi, Krijn Hoetmer volunteered for logging our IRC channel (#webapps on irc.w3.org:80) similarly to how he logs for the HTML WG, CSS WG, and WHATWG. (Also the public ARIA discussion channel I believe.) If you have any objections to this please say so before the weekend. If people find it

Re: ISSUE-4 (SpecContent): Should specifications decide what counts as content for transfer? [Progress Events]

2008-06-18 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 00:47:51 +0200, Jonas Sicking <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: It makes no sense to me to for HTTP say that the total number of bytes should include HTTP headers. It would be similar to including the TCP headers in the IP packets IMHO. However, ideally the spec should be proto