Re: Progress Events - Credits Edits

2009-09-25 Thread Charles McCathieNevile
On Fri, 25 Sep 2009 05:17:59 +0200, Bjoern Hoehrmann derhoe...@gmx.net wrote: * Charles McCathieNevile wrote: More to the point, Bjoern, what is your preferred spelling? The proper spelling of my name is explicitly specified in RFC 4329. [for those who haven't read that, it's Björn

Re: CfC: to publish the FPWD of the Web Simple Database API spec; deadline 25 September

2009-09-25 Thread Charles McCathieNevile
On Fri, 18 Sep 2009 13:25:59 +0200, Arthur Barstow art.bars...@nokia.com wrote: This is a Call for Consensus (CfC) to publish the First Public Working Draft (FPWD) of the Web Simple Database API spec: http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/WebSimpleDatabase/ As with all of our CfCs, positive

Re: [selectors-api] Scoped Selectors

2009-09-25 Thread Sean Hogan
Hi Lachy, Here's a proposal. querySelector*(selector, context) // allows selectors with :scope pseudo-class queryScopedSelector*(selector, context) // allows selectors with implied :scope matchesSelector(selector, context) // allows selectors with :scope pseudo-class To check if the :scope

Re: ECMA TC 39 / W3C HTML and WebApps WG coordination

2009-09-25 Thread Sam Ruby
On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 5:57 AM, Anne van Kesteren ann...@opera.com wrote: On Fri, 25 Sep 2009 11:38:08 +0200, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote: Meanwhile, what we need is concrete bug reports of specific instances where the existing WebIDL description of key interfaces is done in a way

Re: ECMA TC 39 / W3C HTML and WebApps WG coordination

2009-09-25 Thread Maciej Stachowiak
On Sep 25, 2009, at 2:38 AM, Sam Ruby wrote: Maciej Stachowiak wrote: On Sep 24, 2009, at 5:44 PM, Yehuda Katz wrote: That sounds reasonable. There are really two issues. One is that there are parts of WebIDL that are unused. Another is that the parts of the spec themselves are fairly

Re: [selectors-api] Scoped Selectors

2009-09-25 Thread Sean Hogan
Sean Hogan wrote: Hi Lachy, Here's a proposal. querySelector*(selector, context) // allows selectors with :scope pseudo-class queryScopedSelector*(selector, context) // allows selectors with implied :scope matchesSelector(selector, context) // allows selectors with :scope pseudo-class To

[widgets] Widgets test creation event

2009-09-25 Thread Marcos Caceres
Hi All, Firstly, as editor, I want to personally say thanks to everyone that participated in creating tests for PC in Dusseldorf! (and a huge thanks to Vodafone for hosting). Hope the spec was not too painful to write tests for:) I'm wondering if we can get a quick summary of what happened during

ISSUE-75 and ISSUE-91: closing

2009-09-25 Thread Anne van Kesteren
I once raised ISSUE-75 (on the old XMLHttpRequest document pointer) and ISSUE-91 (redirect issue in CORS) and believe I resolved both issues to my satisfaction so I closed them. Feel free to appeal but given all the changes it is probably better to raise specific issues against the

Re: [selectors-api] Scoped Selectors

2009-09-25 Thread Lachlan Hunt
Sean Hogan wrote: Here's a proposal. querySelector*(selector, context) // allows selectors with :scope pseudo-class queryScopedSelector*(selector, context) // allows selectors with implied :scope matchesSelector(selector, context) // allows selectors with :scope pseudo-class Yes, this is

[webdatabase] wording on Parsing and processing SQL statements section

2009-09-25 Thread João Eiras
Hi. In section 4.2 Parsing and processing SQL statements, point 2 starts as Replace each ? placeholder but then says later Note: Substitutions for ? placeholders are done at the literal level, not as string concatenations. By using the word replace, that execution step may cause confusion, as

ISSUE-103: accessing status/statusText/getResponseHeader()/getAllResponseHeaders() [XHR]

2009-09-25 Thread Web Applications Working Group Issue Tracker
ISSUE-103: accessing status/statusText/getResponseHeader()/getAllResponseHeaders() [XHR] http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/track/issues/103 Raised by: Anne van Kesteren On product: XHR After invoking abort() Internet Explorer throws for getting these members as per the specification. (And

ISSUE-104: supporting structured clones [XHR2]

2009-09-25 Thread Web Applications Working Group Issue Tracker
ISSUE-104: supporting structured clones [XHR2] http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/track/issues/104 Raised by: Anne van Kesteren On product: XHR2 It would be nice to support the HTML5 concept of structured clones for both sending and receiving. Prerequisite of that is getting a serialization

Re: ECMA TC 39 / W3C HTML and WebApps WG coordination

2009-09-25 Thread Mark S. Miller
On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 7:55 AM, Maciej Stachowiak m...@apple.com wrote: On Sep 24, 2009, at 5:36 AM, Sam Ruby wrote: The current WebIDL binding to ECMAScript is based on ES3... this needs to more closely track to the evolution of ES, in particular it needs to be updated to ES5 w.r.t the Meta

Re: [selectors-api] Scoped Selectors

2009-09-25 Thread Boris Zbarsky
On 9/25/09 9:59 AM, Lachlan Hunt wrote: Yes, the reference elements parameter will accept either a single element, Array or NodeList. What about HTMLCollection? Or have we finally made that interface inherit from NodeList? Another question I just had reading this, and this is probably a

Re: ECMA TC 39 / W3C HTML and WebApps WG coordination

2009-09-25 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Fri, 25 Sep 2009 16:26:21 +0200, Mark S. Miller erig...@google.com wrote: To clarify, AFAIK, no one on the EcmaScript committee is proposing that WebIDL itself be moved to ECMA, but rather the WebIDL-EcmaScript language binding. That is the most essential part of Web IDL for most consumers

Re: [selectors-api] Summary of Feature Requests for v2

2009-09-25 Thread Boris Zbarsky
On 9/25/09 1:35 AM, Garrett Smith wrote: No, you did not say it is slow. I'm saying that your laptop is probably a lot more powerful than a mobile device with a browser, such as Blackberry9000. Do you agree with that? Sure. It's a pretty self-evidently true claim. that said, note that on a

Re: ECMA TC 39 / W3C HTML and WebApps WG coordination

2009-09-25 Thread Robin Berjon
Hi Mark, On Sep 25, 2009, at 16:26 , Mark S. Miller wrote: To clarify, AFAIK, no one on the EcmaScript committee is proposing that WebIDL itself be moved to ECMA, but rather the WebIDL-EcmaScript language binding. I understand the rationale you have to motivate this proposal, I do have a

Re: [widgets] Widgets test creation event

2009-09-25 Thread Robin Berjon
On Sep 25, 2009, at 12:42 , Marcos Caceres wrote: I'm wondering if we can get a quick summary of what happened during the testing workshop. I assume a short report will be created? Kai posted this to MWTS, here it is for WebApps: http://www.flickr.com/photos/hendry/3947857456/ Last Monday

Re: CfC: to publish the FPWD of the Web Simple Database API spec; deadline 25 September

2009-09-25 Thread Jonas Sicking
On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 2:46 AM, Charles McCathieNevile cha...@opera.com wrote: On Fri, 18 Sep 2009 13:25:59 +0200, Arthur Barstow art.bars...@nokia.com wrote: This is a Call for Consensus (CfC) to publish the First Public Working Draft (FPWD) of the Web Simple Database API spec:  

Re: ECMA TC 39 / W3C HTML and WebApps WG coordination

2009-09-25 Thread Brendan Eich
Three distinct topics are being mixed up here: 1. Whether to use WebIDL or some unproposed alternative. 2. Whether to use catchall patterns in new WebIDL-defined interfaces. 3. Whether the JS WebIDL bindings should be standardized by Ecma or W3C. The straw man (0. Whether to remove catchall

Re: ISSUE-104: supporting structured clones [XHR2]

2009-09-25 Thread Jeremy Orlow
On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 7:25 AM, Web Applications Working Group Issue Tracker sysbot+trac...@w3.org sysbot%2btrac...@w3.org wrote: ISSUE-104: supporting structured clones [XHR2] http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/track/issues/104 Raised by: Anne van Kesteren On product: XHR2 It would be nice

Re: [selectors-api] Scoped Selectors

2009-09-25 Thread John Resig
3. Obtain a collection of elements based on their relation to more than one specified reference elements. e.g. Query to the document to obtain elements matching :scope+span, where :scope is intended to match any of the elements in a specific collection. This would be simpler than iterating

Re: ISSUE-104: supporting structured clones [XHR2]

2009-09-25 Thread Jonas Sicking
On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 10:09 AM, Jeremy Orlow jor...@chromium.org wrote: On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 7:25 AM, Web Applications Working Group Issue Tracker sysbot+trac...@w3.org wrote: ISSUE-104: supporting structured clones [XHR2] http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/track/issues/104 Raised by:

RE: ECMA TC 39 / W3C HTML and WebApps WG coordination

2009-09-25 Thread Allen Wirfs-Brock
+1 -Original Message- From: es-discuss-boun...@mozilla.org [mailto:es-discuss- boun...@mozilla.org] On Behalf Of Brendan Eich Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 9:56 AM To: Anne van Kesteren Cc: public-webapps@w3.org; HTML WG; es-discuss Subject: Re: ECMA TC 39 / W3C HTML and WebApps WG

Re: ECMA TC 39 / W3C HTML and WebApps WG coordination

2009-09-25 Thread Jonas Sicking
On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 9:56 AM, Brendan Eich bren...@mozilla.com wrote: Three distinct topics are being mixed up here: 1. Whether to use WebIDL or some unproposed alternative. 2. Whether to use catchall patterns in new WebIDL-defined interfaces. 3. Whether the JS WebIDL bindings should be

Re: ECMA TC 39 / W3C HTML and WebApps WG coordination

2009-09-25 Thread Brendan Eich
On Sep 25, 2009, at 12:08 PM, Jonas Sicking wrote: On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 9:56 AM, Brendan Eich bren...@mozilla.com wrote: My positions are: 1. WebIDL, the bird in the hand (I agree with Sam: go invent something better, come back when you're done). 2. Don't keep perpetuating catchall

Re: ECMA TC 39 / W3C HTML and WebApps WG coordination

2009-09-25 Thread Jonas Sicking
On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 12:35 PM, Brendan Eich bren...@mozilla.com wrote: On Sep 25, 2009, at 12:08 PM, Jonas Sicking wrote: On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 9:56 AM, Brendan Eich bren...@mozilla.com wrote: My positions are: 1. WebIDL, the bird in the hand (I agree with Sam: go invent something

Re: ECMA TC 39 / W3C HTML and WebApps WG coordination

2009-09-25 Thread Brendan Eich
I will stop the over-citing madness here and now :-P. The struggle to formalize ArrayLike, which seems like a common goal for ES the core language and for WebIDL's ES bindings, makes me want to give an exception to the catchalls considered harmful for new interfaces injunction. I agree

Re: ECMA TC 39 / W3C HTML and WebApps WG coordination

2009-09-25 Thread Cameron McCormack
Hi Brendan. Brendan Eich: The struggle to formalize ArrayLike, which seems like a common goal for ES the core language and for WebIDL's ES bindings, makes me want to give an exception to the catchalls considered harmful for new interfaces injunction. I agree that indexing into array-likes,

Re: [selectors-api] Scoped Selectors

2009-09-25 Thread Sean Hogan
Lachlan Hunt wrote: Sean Hogan wrote: Here's a proposal. querySelector*(selector, context) // allows selectors with :scope pseudo-class queryScopedSelector*(selector, context) // allows selectors with implied :scope matchesSelector(selector, context) // allows selectors with :scope

Re: ECMA TC 39 / W3C HTML and WebApps WG coordination

2009-09-25 Thread Maciej Stachowiak
On Sep 25, 2009, at 3:34 PM, Krzysztof Maczyński wrote: Do we need a WindowProxy in the core language? I'm not sure, but if not then there has to be some other way of specifying how |this| in global code binds to the outer window rather than the inner (Ecma global). We didn't try to make

Re: ECMA TC 39 / W3C HTML and WebApps WG coordination

2009-09-25 Thread Brendan Eich
On Sep 25, 2009, at 4:57 PM, Maciej Stachowiak wrote: On Sep 25, 2009, at 1:18 PM, Brendan Eich wrote: So if you are doing more ArrayLike interfaces, let's keep talking. Don't let at least my catchalls-considered-harmful statements stop progress on ArrayLikes. Perhaps when catchalls are

RE: ECMA TC 39 / W3C HTML and WebApps WG coordination

2009-09-25 Thread Allen Wirfs-Brock
-Original Message- From: es-discuss-boun...@mozilla.org [mailto:es-discuss- ... But ECMAScript doesn't have a way to distinguish normal property access from property access via lexical scoping. In the ES5 specification it does. Reference that that resolve to property accesses are

Re: ECMA TC 39 / W3C HTML and WebApps WG coordination

2009-09-25 Thread Cameron McCormack
Maciej Stachowiak: Now, there may be pragmatic reasons for avoiding catchall getters and setters: … Mark S. Miller: Yes. As an obvious example of #3, what happens when a Storage http://dev.w3.org/html5/webstorage/ key is toString? It’s a good example of something that’s not obvious,