Re: Charter addition proposal: screen orientation lock

2012-02-06 Thread Charles McCathieNevile

On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 12:22:30 +0100, Robin Berjon ro...@berjon.com wrote:
...
I will let implementers speak for themselves, but my understanding is  
that there is interest in this feature. It is certainly a regular  
request from developers.


In previous discussions we haven't hashed out who would stand up as  
editor and test facilitator, but I'm confident that we can find people.  
If no one else steps up, I'll take the testing hat.


With Robin as test coordinator and Mounir as editor, we seem to have  
consensus on taking this on as a work item. So I'll add it to the charter  
draft...


cheers

Chaals

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Re: Charter clarification: common manifest

2012-02-06 Thread Charles McCathieNevile

On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 17:51:14 +0100, Robin Berjon ro...@berjon.com wrote:


On Jan 30, 2012, at 13:38 , Marcos Caceres wrote:

On Monday, 30 January 2012 at 21:26, Robin Berjon wrote:
It's not something that has happened to date, but I'm hearing  
indications that there could be interest in quickly aligning on a  
manifest for web apps (that would I presume differ from the one used  
in Widgets).


Interesting… pointer to these indicators would be nice (or would be  
nice to hear from WG members).


Tobie kicked up some dust here:

http://blog.tobie.me/post/14262541286/app-manifests-an-anthology

I can't seem to track down pointers right when I need them, but this  
spurred a fair amount of commentary, including from some people who work  
for implementers agreeing that the current situation is stupid and needs  
to be fixed.


It would be a shame to close the door right as it looks like it might  
happen.


Agree. However, an alternative serialisation of the Widget's metadata  
can be specified in the Native Web Apps CG and then a WG home can be  
found.


Sure, I'm happy for the work on this to take place in the NWA CG since  
that seems like a fit home for it, but it needs a place to be properly  
standardised. My hope is that this place can be the WebApps WG. Given  
that the discussion would take place elsewhere, and that the result is  
pretty much in charter, I would hope that this should be agreeable to  
all.


I'll write it that way into the charter draft. I also hope that it is seen  
that way by the WG.


cheers

Chaals

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Re: CfC Re: Charter addition proposal: screen orientation lock

2012-02-06 Thread Arthur Barstow
Given the positive responses to this CfC, the Screen Orientation API has 
now been added to the Additions Agreed section of charter changes wiki 
http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/wiki/CharterChanges.


On 1/30/12 8:26 AM, ext Charles McCathieNevile wrote:
OK, since I was planning to have the charter up today, let's have a 
quick call for consensus on this. Please reply by end of business 
Wednesday if you support or object to this - silence will be taken as 
not explicitly supporting it, and without support it isn't going to 
get into the draft charter. If it does go there, there will still be 
opportunities to object but it will be harder to squeeze in.


cheers

Chaals

On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 12:22:30 +0100, Robin Berjon ro...@berjon.com 
wrote:



Hi all!

Sorry for bringing this to the group this late, but it's a topic 
that's been discussed in other places and that I believe is both 
useful and mature enough to be ready for standardisation.


Some applications are designed in such a way that they only make 
sense in one device orientation. The archetypical example would be a 
game that only works in landscape mode, but there are other examples. 
Right now native apps can support this rather easily, but web apps 
have been stuck with silly hacks such as detecting that the 
orientation is wrong and asking the user to rotate. This further 
leads to trouble when the device itself is used as a controller (e.g. 
in racing games) as this can sometimes trigger an undesired 
orientation change mid-game — hardly a user-friendly experience.


Note that this is not about system-level orientation lock (which 
would be fodder for another group) but application-level orientation.


Options to address this have been discussed (amongst other places) here:

http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.dev.webapi/browse_thread/thread/f38bb05e66c01a77#

There is discussion as to whether this ought to be only an API or if 
it should use a meta element (which would also give it an API since 
it could be changed dynamically), with an overall leaning towards the 
latter. I am rather confident that we should be able to agree on the 
best approach relatively quickly.


I will let implementers speak for themselves, but my understanding is 
that there is interest in this feature. It is certainly a regular 
request from developers.


In previous discussions we haven't hashed out who would stand up as 
editor and test facilitator, but I'm confident that we can find 
people. If no one else steps up, I'll take the testing hat.


WDYT?








Re: CfC: Charter addition for Fullscreen API

2012-02-06 Thread Arthur Barstow
Given the positive responses to this proposal, I added it to the 
additions agreed section of the charter changes wiki and Chaals will add 
it to the draft charter.


On 1/31/12 11:04 AM, ext Robin Berjon wrote:

Hi all,

I love deadlines. I love the whooshing noise they make as they go by.

In a discussion earlier, it has come to my attention that the Fullscreen API 
may not currently have a properly chartered home. I somehow thought that it was 
in the HTML WG but it seems not. Apparently it was on the CSS WG's plate at 
some point but it seems to have been dropped. If that is indeed the case, we 
need a home for it.

(If it turns out that it does have a home and I simply couldn't figure out 
which one it is, then please consider this CfC as null and void.)

We have a draft, I'm pretty sure that I've seen implementer interest, and it's 
very obvious that there's a lot of developer interest in it. My understanding 
is that it has an editor.

WDYT?





[Bug 15901] Create Participate: box at top of the specification

2012-02-06 Thread bugzilla
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=15901

Ms2ger ms2...@gmail.com changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|NEW |RESOLVED
 Resolution||FIXED

--- Comment #1 from Ms2ger ms2...@gmail.com 2012-02-06 14:13:46 UTC ---
Thanks, fixed.

https://bitbucket.org/ms2ger/dom-parsing-and-serialization/changeset/f739d400ea72

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[Bug 15916] New: DOMParser Document origin

2012-02-06 Thread bugzilla
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=15916

   Summary: DOMParser Document origin
   Product: WebAppsWG
   Version: unspecified
  Platform: PC
OS/Version: All
Status: NEW
  Severity: normal
  Priority: P2
 Component: DOM Parsing and Serialization
AssignedTo: ms2...@gmail.com
ReportedBy: ann...@opera.com
 QAContact: member-webapi-...@w3.org
CC: m...@w3.org, public-webapps@w3.org


The origin of a Document created through DOMParser needs to be defined.

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Re: Encoding Spec and Encoding for readAsText

2012-02-06 Thread Arun Ranganathan
Anne,


 On Thu, 26 Jan 2012 22:57:35 +0100, Arun Ranganathan
 aranganat...@mozilla.com wrote:
  Few quick questions:
 
  1. Can you review:
  http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/FileAPI/#encoding-determination
 
 I think per https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=15359 we
 want
 to let the BOM checking happen before the other considerations.


Really?  Does that mean, favoring BOM checking over the Blob's type attribute 
and the optional encoding parameter of the readAsText() method?  Why exactly?


 
  2. How can I best coordinate this with the Encoding Specification
  that
  you are working on?
 
 I think eventually we want to update the text to no longer make use
 of the
 IANA registry (which is open ended) and just directly defer to the
 Encoding Standard (which only supports a fixed list of encodings).


Got it -- I'll look to you for the cue about when to do this.

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Re: [XHR] setRequestHeader and redirects

2012-02-06 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Sat, 02 Jul 2011 10:13:25 +0200, Anne van Kesteren ann...@opera.com  
wrote:
On Sun, 26 Jun 2011 16:46:23 +0200, Boris Zbarsky bzbar...@mit.edu  
wrote:

On 6/25/11 2:23 PM, Anne van Kesteren wrote:

So each specification that deals with custom headers of some kind (e.g.
EventSource has Last-Event-ID and Cache-Control) needs to say what
happens to them in the face of redirects?


On the face of it, yes.  Especially because different redirect response  
codes have different semantics (well, in theory), so some headers may  
need to be preserved across some of them but not others.  And without  
knowing the meaning of the header, it's impossible to say when it  
should be preserved across the redirect and when it only makes sense in  
the context of the original request.


I raised this with the HTTP WG:

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/ietf-http-wg/2011AprJun/0489.html

It seems they are going to do something about it:

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/ietf-http-wg/2011AprJun/0490.html

I guess we should evaluate again when that is done.


This ended up coming back to us. HTML fetching will hopefully address this  
issue:


https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=15228


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[Bug 15917] New: prueba de uso de web broker

2012-02-06 Thread bugzilla
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=15917

   Summary: prueba de uso de web broker
   Product: WebAppsWG
   Version: unspecified
  Platform: Other
   URL: http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/#top
OS/Version: other
Status: NEW
  Severity: normal
  Priority: P3
 Component: Web Workers (editor: Ian Hickson)
AssignedTo: i...@hixie.ch
ReportedBy: contribu...@whatwg.org
 QAContact: member-webapi-...@w3.org
CC: m...@w3.org, public-webapps@w3.org


Specification: http://dev.w3.org/html5/workers/
Multipage: http://www.whatwg.org/C#top
Complete: http://www.whatwg.org/c#top

Comment:
prueba de uso de web broker


Posted from: 189.186.12.113
User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64) AppleWebKit/535.7 (KHTML, like
Gecko) Chrome/16.0.912.77 Safari/535.7

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[Bug 15917] prueba de uso de web broker

2012-02-06 Thread bugzilla
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=15917

Art Barstow art.bars...@nokia.com changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|NEW |RESOLVED
 CC||art.bars...@nokia.com
 Resolution||INVALID

--- Comment #1 from Art Barstow art.bars...@nokia.com 2012-02-06 21:52:59 UTC 
---
English: proof of use of web broker

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April face-to-face meetings for HTML and WebApps

2012-02-06 Thread Philippe Le Hegaret
Folks,

in order to facilitate the work of the WebApps and HTML Working Groups,
I've been discussing with the Chairs the idea of having a face-to-face
in the silicon valley in April. Due to various constraints (WWW2012 and
Google I/O most notably), I ended up with the second week of April:

- WebApps WG: April 10/11 (Tuesday/Wednesday)
- HTML WG: April 12/13 (Thursday/Friday)
- WebAppSec: April 11/12 (Wednesday/Thursday)

Is anybody else aware of other potential conflicts?

The WebKit contributor meeting dates are not set yet but may overlap
with webapps for one day (April 10)...

I asked the Chairs to ask for objections to those dates as well,

Note that this meeting would be in addition to the TPAC 2012 in November
(Lyon, France).

Thank you,

Philippe