Re: [DOM4] NodeList should be deprecated

2012-03-13 Thread Cameron McCormack

Ojan Vafai:

We should make static NodeList inherit from Array though so that you can
do regular array operations on it.


Web IDL has the means to make (all) NodeList objects inherit from Array 
by annotating them with [ArrayClass], if we want to do that.




Re: [DOM4] NodeList should be deprecated

2012-03-13 Thread Rick Waldron
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 10:24 PM, Ojan Vafai  wrote:

> Upon further thought, I take this suggestion back. Static NodeList as it
> currently exists is just an underpowered array, but that doesn't mean
> that's what it always has to be. In the future, we should add methods to
> NodeList that operate on Nodes, e.g. add a remove method to NodeList that
> call remove on all the Nodes in the NodeList. Also, in theory, browser may
> be able to optimize common cases of NodeLists (e.g. cache frequently
> accessed NodeLists).
>
> We should make static NodeList inherit from Array though so that you can
> do regular array operations on it.
>

In the future, it will be incredibly easy to make a NodeList into an Array
with the spread operator:

[ ...NodeList ]

// [ node, node, node ]

Rick



>
>
> On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 5:59 AM, Rick Waldron wrote:
>
>>
>> On Mar 13, 2012, at 4:29 AM, "Anne van Kesteren" 
>> wrote:
>>
>> > On Mon, 12 Mar 2012 21:06:00 +0100, Rick Waldron <
>> waldron.r...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> On Mar 12, 2012, at 3:06 PM, "Anne van Kesteren" 
>> wrote:
>> >>> On Mon, 12 Mar 2012 19:07:31 +0100, Rick Waldron <
>> waldron.r...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>  The NodeList item() method is a blocker.
>> >>>
>> >>> Blocker in what way?
>> >>
>> >> As I've always understood it - the item() method is what
>> differentiates NodeList from Array and blocks it from being "just an array".
>> >>
>> >> Is this incorrect?
>> >
>> > I think there is more, such as arrays being mutable, but the suggestion
>> was to change two accessors from mutation observers to return platform
>> array objects rather than NodeLists, which is a change we can still make
>> given that mutation observers is not widely deployed yet.
>>
>> I that case, very cool. Thanks for the clarification.
>>
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Anne van Kesteren
>> > http://annevankesteren.nl/
>>
>
>


Re: [DOM4] NodeList should be deprecated

2012-03-13 Thread Ojan Vafai
Upon further thought, I take this suggestion back. Static NodeList as it
currently exists is just an underpowered array, but that doesn't mean
that's what it always has to be. In the future, we should add methods to
NodeList that operate on Nodes, e.g. add a remove method to NodeList that
call remove on all the Nodes in the NodeList. Also, in theory, browser may
be able to optimize common cases of NodeLists (e.g. cache frequently
accessed NodeLists).

We should make static NodeList inherit from Array though so that you can do
regular array operations on it.

On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 5:59 AM, Rick Waldron wrote:

>
> On Mar 13, 2012, at 4:29 AM, "Anne van Kesteren"  wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 12 Mar 2012 21:06:00 +0100, Rick Waldron 
> wrote:
> >> On Mar 12, 2012, at 3:06 PM, "Anne van Kesteren" 
> wrote:
> >>> On Mon, 12 Mar 2012 19:07:31 +0100, Rick Waldron <
> waldron.r...@gmail.com> wrote:
>  The NodeList item() method is a blocker.
> >>>
> >>> Blocker in what way?
> >>
> >> As I've always understood it - the item() method is what differentiates
> NodeList from Array and blocks it from being "just an array".
> >>
> >> Is this incorrect?
> >
> > I think there is more, such as arrays being mutable, but the suggestion
> was to change two accessors from mutation observers to return platform
> array objects rather than NodeLists, which is a change we can still make
> given that mutation observers is not widely deployed yet.
>
> I that case, very cool. Thanks for the clarification.
>
> >
> >
> > --
> > Anne van Kesteren
> > http://annevankesteren.nl/
>


RfC: LCWD of WebPerf WG's High Resolution Time; deadline April 10

2012-03-13 Thread Arthur Barstow
WebApps has been asked to review the Web Performance WG's High 
Resolution Time LCWD <http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/WD-hr-time-20120313/>.


Individual WG members are encouraged to provide individual feedback 
directly to the Web Perf WG. If you have comments, please send them to 
the following list by April 10:


   public-web-p...@w3.org@w3.org
   http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-web-perf/

If anyone in WebApps wants to propose an official WG response, please do 
so ASAP, in reply to this email so the WebApps WG can discuss it.


-Thanks, AB






RfC: LCWD of HTML5 Web Messaging; deadline April 3

2012-03-13 Thread Arthur Barstow
This is a Request for Commentsfor the March 13 version of the Last Call 
Working Draft of HTML5 Web Messaging:


   http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/WD-webmessaging-20120313/

The comment deadline is April 3 and all comments should be sent to the 
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RfC: LCWD of Web Workers; deadline April 3

2012-03-13 Thread Arthur Barstow
This is a Request for Commentsfor the March 13 version of the Last Call 
Working Draft of Web Workers:


   http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/WD-workers-20120313/

The comment deadline is April 3 and all comments should be sent to the 
public-webapps@w3.org list.





Re: [DOM4] NodeList should be deprecated

2012-03-13 Thread Rick Waldron

On Mar 13, 2012, at 4:29 AM, "Anne van Kesteren"  wrote:

> On Mon, 12 Mar 2012 21:06:00 +0100, Rick Waldron  
> wrote:
>> On Mar 12, 2012, at 3:06 PM, "Anne van Kesteren"  wrote:
>>> On Mon, 12 Mar 2012 19:07:31 +0100, Rick Waldron  
>>> wrote:
 The NodeList item() method is a blocker.
>>> 
>>> Blocker in what way?
>> 
>> As I've always understood it - the item() method is what differentiates 
>> NodeList from Array and blocks it from being "just an array".
>> 
>> Is this incorrect?
> 
> I think there is more, such as arrays being mutable, but the suggestion was 
> to change two accessors from mutation observers to return platform array 
> objects rather than NodeLists, which is a change we can still make given that 
> mutation observers is not widely deployed yet.

I that case, very cool. Thanks for the clarification.

> 
> 
> -- 
> Anne van Kesteren
> http://annevankesteren.nl/



Re: [DOM4] NodeList should be deprecated

2012-03-13 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Mon, 12 Mar 2012 21:06:00 +0100, Rick Waldron   
wrote:
On Mar 12, 2012, at 3:06 PM, "Anne van Kesteren"   
wrote:
On Mon, 12 Mar 2012 19:07:31 +0100, Rick Waldron  
 wrote:

The NodeList item() method is a blocker.


Blocker in what way?


As I've always understood it - the item() method is what differentiates  
NodeList from Array and blocks it from being "just an array".


Is this incorrect?


I think there is more, such as arrays being mutable, but the suggestion  
was to change two accessors from mutation observers to return platform  
array objects rather than NodeLists, which is a change we can still make  
given that mutation observers is not widely deployed yet.



--
Anne van Kesteren
http://annevankesteren.nl/