Re: [UndoManager] Disallowing live UndoManager on detached nodes

2012-08-21 Thread Jonas Sicking
Will this still allow a node which has an undo manager to be moved from one part of the document to another part of the document, without losing all transactions attached to the undo manager? That seems like an important use case. / Jonas On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 9:52 PM, Ryosuke Niwa

Re: [UndoManager] Disallowing live UndoManager on detached nodes

2012-08-21 Thread Ryosuke Niwa
No. Allowing the host to be moved without removing automatic transaction is what causes the problem because automatic transactions need to keep relevant nodes alive. Essentially, this has the same problem has the magic iframe. We can alternatively change the way automatic transactions work so

Re: [UndoManager] Disallowing live UndoManager on detached nodes

2012-08-21 Thread Jonas Sicking
On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 11:56 PM, Ryosuke Niwa rn...@webkit.org wrote: No. Allowing the host to be moved without removing automatic transaction is what causes the problem because automatic transactions need to keep relevant nodes alive. Essentially, this has the same problem has the magic

Re: [admin] using Bugzilla's component tracking feature? [Was: [webcomponents]-ish: Visibility of work in Bugzilla

2012-08-21 Thread Arthur Barstow
On 8/20/12 5:05 PM, ext Michael[tm] Smith wrote: Arthur Barstow art.bars...@nokia.com, 2012-08-20 08:11 -0400: On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 10:00 AM, Kang-Hao (Kenny) Lu kangh...@oupeng.com wrote: We have public-webapps-bugzilla[1] already, but I have no idea why we can't just turn on the

CfC: publish Widgets PC as a Proposed Edited Recommendation; deadline August 28

2012-08-21 Thread Arthur Barstow
Marcos would like to publish a Proposed Edited Recommendation [PER] of the Widget Packaging and XML Configuration spec [REC] to incorporate the spec's errata and this is a Call for Consensus to do so. The [Errata] has already been reflected in the [Proposed-PER] (see [Diff]) and it includes a

Re: CfC: publish Widgets PC as a Proposed Edited Recommendation; deadline August 28

2012-08-21 Thread Chaals McCathieNevile
On Tue, 21 Aug 2012 14:20:34 +0200, Arthur Barstow art.bars...@nokia.com wrote: Marcos would like to publish a Proposed Edited Recommendation [PER] of the Widget Packaging and XML Configuration spec [REC] to incorporate the spec's errata and this is a Call for Consensus to do so. I

Re: [admin] using Bugzilla's component tracking feature? [Was: [webcomponents]-ish: Visibility of work in Bugzilla

2012-08-21 Thread Kang-Hao (Kenny) Lu
a bugzilla 4 feature kennyluck MikeSmith, hmm… ok. I won't be the person pushing for it. MikeSmith kennyluck: I'd love to have it too but I don't think we are going to be migrating to v4 any time soon [1] http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/whatwg/20120821#l-128 Cheers, Kenny -- Web Specialist, Oupeng

Re: [UndoManager] Disallowing live UndoManager on detached nodes

2012-08-21 Thread Ryosuke Niwa
On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 1:54 AM, Jonas Sicking jo...@sicking.cc wrote: On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 11:56 PM, Ryosuke Niwa rn...@webkit.org wrote: No. Allowing the host to be moved without removing automatic transaction is what causes the problem because automatic transactions need to keep

Re: [UndoManager] Disallowing live UndoManager on detached nodes

2012-08-21 Thread Adam Barth
[Re-sending from the proper address.] On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 1:54 AM, Jonas Sicking jo...@sicking.cc wrote: On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 11:56 PM, Ryosuke Niwa rn...@webkit.org wrote: No. Allowing the host to be moved without removing automatic transaction is what causes the problem because

Proposal for Cascading Attribute Sheets - like CSS, but for attributes!

2012-08-21 Thread Tab Atkins Jr.
I recently participated in an internal thread at Google where it was proposed to move a (webkit-specific) feature from an attribute to a CSS property, because applying it via a property is *much* more convenient. Similarly, some of the a11y folks have recently been talking about applying aria-*

[Bug 18242] Not clear what script that invoked the method means exactly. Should this be changed to entry script instead? If not, please specify what it means.

2012-08-21 Thread bugzilla
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=18242 Erika Doyle Navara erika.do...@microsoft.com changed: What|Removed |Added CC|

[Bug 18045] Based on my experience and from reading many questions on the Web, this API is seriously flawed. It treats cross-domain iframes the same as same-domain iframes, except that almost every

2012-08-21 Thread bugzilla
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=18045 Erika Doyle Navara erika.do...@microsoft.com changed: What|Removed |Added CC|

[Bug 18033] each MessageChannel acts as its own task source. This means that messages sent using this function are not guaranteed to execute in order, since the order task sources are processed isn

2012-08-21 Thread bugzilla
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=18033 Erika Doyle Navara erika.do...@microsoft.com changed: What|Removed |Added CC|

[Bug 15994] origin attribute

2012-08-21 Thread bugzilla
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=15994 Erika Doyle Navara erika.do...@microsoft.com changed: What|Removed |Added CC|

[Bug 18218] Within the workers text list of active intervals can be removed because it is the same as list of active timers.

2012-08-21 Thread bugzilla
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=18218 Erika Doyle Navara erika.do...@microsoft.com changed: What|Removed |Added CC|

[Bug 18188] relevant namespace object is not defined in WebIDL anymore.

2012-08-21 Thread bugzilla
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=18188 Erika Doyle Navara erika.do...@microsoft.com changed: What|Removed |Added CC|

Re: Proposal for Cascading Attribute Sheets - like CSS, but for attributes!

2012-08-21 Thread Ojan Vafai
On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 11:17 AM, Tab Atkins Jr. jackalm...@gmail.comwrote: I recently participated in an internal thread at Google where it was proposed to move a (webkit-specific) feature from an attribute to a CSS property, because applying it via a property is *much* more convenient.

[Bug 18003] Change use of relevant namespace object term re workers

2012-08-21 Thread bugzilla
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=18003 Erika Doyle Navara erika.do...@microsoft.com changed: What|Removed |Added CC|

[Bug 18080] This specification introduces two related mechanisms, similar to HTTP session cookies, for storing structured data on the client side. - structured data is no longer supported

2012-08-21 Thread bugzilla
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=18080 Erika Doyle Navara erika.do...@microsoft.com changed: What|Removed |Added CC|

[Bug 18001] Allow data: URL for new Worker(). Supported by Opera and Firefox.

2012-08-21 Thread bugzilla
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=18001 Erika Doyle Navara erika.do...@microsoft.com changed: What|Removed |Added CC|

IndexedDB API: Missing exception

2012-08-21 Thread Kristof Degrave
Hi, I think there is an error missing on the delete method of the object store. All other mutation operations have an InvalidStateError, except the delete method. This error is also present on the delete method inside a cursor. Greetings, Kristof

Re: Proposal for Cascading Attribute Sheets - like CSS, but for attributes!

2012-08-21 Thread Tab Atkins Jr.
On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 12:37 PM, Ojan Vafai o...@chromium.org wrote: Meh. I think this loses most of the CSS is so much more convenient benefits. It's mainly the fact that you don't have to worry about whether the nodes exist yet that makes CSS more convenient. Note that this benefit is

Re: Proposal for Cascading Attribute Sheets - like CSS, but for attributes!

2012-08-21 Thread Brian Kardell
On Aug 21, 2012 4:03 PM, Tab Atkins Jr. jackalm...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 12:37 PM, Ojan Vafai o...@chromium.org wrote: Meh. I think this loses most of the CSS is so much more convenient benefits. It's mainly the fact that you don't have to worry about whether the nodes

Re: Proposal for Cascading Attribute Sheets - like CSS, but for attributes!

2012-08-21 Thread Tab Atkins Jr.
On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 1:30 PM, Brian Kardell bkard...@gmail.com wrote: On Aug 21, 2012 4:03 PM, Tab Atkins Jr. jackalm...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 12:37 PM, Ojan Vafai o...@chromium.org wrote: Meh. I think this loses most of the CSS is so much more convenient benefits. It's

Re: Proposal for Cascading Attribute Sheets - like CSS, but for attributes!

2012-08-21 Thread Brian Kardell
On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 4:32 PM, Tab Atkins Jr. jackalm...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 1:30 PM, Brian Kardell bkard...@gmail.com wrote: On Aug 21, 2012 4:03 PM, Tab Atkins Jr. jackalm...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 12:37 PM, Ojan Vafai o...@chromium.org wrote: Meh. I

Re: Proposal for Cascading Attribute Sheets - like CSS, but for attributes!

2012-08-21 Thread Ojan Vafai
On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 1:01 PM, Tab Atkins Jr. jackalm...@gmail.comwrote: On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 12:37 PM, Ojan Vafai o...@chromium.org wrote: Meh. I think this loses most of the CSS is so much more convenient benefits. It's mainly the fact that you don't have to worry about whether the

Re: Proposal for Cascading Attribute Sheets - like CSS, but for attributes!

2012-08-21 Thread Tab Atkins Jr.
On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 1:37 PM, Brian Kardell bkard...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 4:32 PM, Tab Atkins Jr. jackalm...@gmail.com wrote: Correct. If we applied CAS on attribute changes, we'd have... problems. Because you could do something like: .foo[x=123]{ x: 234; }

Re: [UndoManager] Disallowing live UndoManager on detached nodes

2012-08-21 Thread Ryosuke Niwa
Maciej, Ojan, and I had a further conversion about this matter off the list, and we've concluded that we should drop the support for undoscope content attribute altogether. So we're just going to do that and let authors use iframe to have multiple undo managers. I can keep it around in the spec

Re: CfC: publish Widgets PC as a Proposed Edited Recommendation; deadline August 28

2012-08-21 Thread Scott Wilson
On 21 Aug 2012, at 13:20, Arthur Barstow wrote: Marcos would like to publish a Proposed Edited Recommendation [PER] of the Widget Packaging and XML Configuration spec [REC] to incorporate the spec's errata and this is a Call for Consensus to do so. The [Errata] has already been reflected

RE: Proposal for Cascading Attribute Sheets - like CSS, but for attributes!

2012-08-21 Thread Travis Leithead
From: Tab Atkins Jr. [mailto:jackalm...@gmail.com] On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 1:42 PM, Ojan Vafai o...@chromium.org wrote: On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 1:01 PM, Tab Atkins Jr. jackalm...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 12:37 PM, Ojan Vafai o...@chromium.org wrote: Meh. I think this

Re: Proposal for Cascading Attribute Sheets - like CSS, but for attributes!

2012-08-21 Thread Tab Atkins Jr.
On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 2:20 PM, Travis Leithead travis.leith...@microsoft.com wrote: From: Tab Atkins Jr. [mailto:jackalm...@gmail.com] On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 1:42 PM, Ojan Vafai o...@chromium.org wrote: On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 1:01 PM, Tab Atkins Jr. jackalm...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue,

Re: Proposal for Cascading Attribute Sheets - like CSS, but for attributes!

2012-08-21 Thread Ojan Vafai
On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 1:58 PM, Tab Atkins Jr. jackalm...@gmail.comwrote: On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 1:42 PM, Ojan Vafai o...@chromium.org wrote: On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 1:01 PM, Tab Atkins Jr. jackalm...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 12:37 PM, Ojan Vafai o...@chromium.org wrote:

Re: Proposal for Cascading Attribute Sheets - like CSS, but for attributes!

2012-08-21 Thread Brian Kardell
On Aug 21, 2012 5:40 PM, Tab Atkins Jr. jackalm...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 2:28 PM, Ojan Vafai o...@chromium.org wrote: On a somewhat unrelated note, could we somehow also incorporate jquery style live event handlers here? See previous www-dom discussion about this: . I

Re: Proposal for Cascading Attribute Sheets - like CSS, but for attributes!

2012-08-21 Thread Tab Atkins Jr.
On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 3:15 PM, Brian Kardell bkard...@gmail.com wrote: On Aug 21, 2012 5:40 PM, Tab Atkins Jr. jackalm...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 2:28 PM, Ojan Vafai o...@chromium.org wrote: On a somewhat unrelated note, could we somehow also incorporate jquery style live

Re: Proposal for Cascading Attribute Sheets - like CSS, but for attributes!

2012-08-21 Thread Rick Waldron
Comments inline... On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 6:17 PM, Tab Atkins Jr. jackalm...@gmail.comwrote: On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 3:15 PM, Brian Kardell bkard...@gmail.com wrote: On Aug 21, 2012 5:40 PM, Tab Atkins Jr. jackalm...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 2:28 PM, Ojan Vafai

Re: Proposal for Cascading Attribute Sheets - like CSS, but for attributes!

2012-08-21 Thread Tab Atkins Jr.
On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 3:29 PM, Rick Waldron waldron.r...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 6:17 PM, Tab Atkins Jr. jackalm...@gmail.com wrote: ul.special li { onclick: alert('You clicked me!'); evt.target.classlist.add('clicked');; } This is certainly interesting, but... 1.

Re: Proposal for Cascading Attribute Sheets - like CSS, but for attributes!

2012-08-21 Thread Lea Verou
I *love* this idea!! However, I’m afraid that in all these cases, ”it’s so much more convenient” precisely due to the dynamic nature of CSS, so you don’t have to bind event handlers to cater to document changes etc. I think this proposal would be much more useful if it was dynamic in at least

Re: Proposal for Cascading Attribute Sheets - like CSS, but for attributes!

2012-08-21 Thread Rick Waldron
On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 6:40 PM, Tab Atkins Jr. jackalm...@gmail.comwrote: On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 3:29 PM, Rick Waldron waldron.r...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 6:17 PM, Tab Atkins Jr. jackalm...@gmail.com wrote: ul.special li { onclick: alert('You clicked me!');

Re: Proposal for Cascading Attribute Sheets - like CSS, but for attributes!

2012-08-21 Thread Brian Kardell
On Aug 21, 2012 6:49 PM, Tab Atkins Jr. jackalm...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 3:44 PM, Brian Kardell bkard...@gmail.com wrote: On Aug 21, 2012 6:18 PM, Tab Atkins Jr. jackalm...@gmail.com wrote: So, in my current proposal, you can just set an onfoo attribute: ul.special li

Re: Proposal for Cascading Attribute Sheets - like CSS, but for attributes!

2012-08-21 Thread Tab Atkins Jr.
On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 3:51 PM, Lea Verou l...@w3.org wrote: I *love* this idea!! However, I’m afraid that in all these cases, ”it’s so much more convenient” precisely due to the dynamic nature of CSS, so you don’t have to bind event handlers to cater to document changes etc. I think this

Re: Proposal for Cascading Attribute Sheets - like CSS, but for attributes!

2012-08-21 Thread Tab Atkins Jr.
On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 3:52 PM, Rick Waldron waldron.r...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 6:40 PM, Tab Atkins Jr. jackalm...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 3:29 PM, Rick Waldron waldron.r...@gmail.com 3. Where did evt come from? Isn't that one of the magically-defined

Re: Proposal for Cascading Attribute Sheets - like CSS, but for attributes!

2012-08-21 Thread Tab Atkins Jr.
On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 3:54 PM, Brian Kardell bkard...@gmail.com wrote: On Aug 21, 2012 6:49 PM, Tab Atkins Jr. jackalm...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 3:44 PM, Brian Kardell bkard...@gmail.com wrote: In other words, what is preventing you from writing... .foo .bar{

Re: Proposal for Cascading Attribute Sheets - like CSS, but for attributes!

2012-08-21 Thread Glenn Maynard
FWIW, while I don't find the idea of attaching event listeners this way too interesting (maybe I could be convinced, but event capturing is already convenient for most of these examples), being able to say #myform input { autocomplete: off; autocorrect: off; autocapitalize: off; } or a { rel:

Re: Proposal for Cascading Attribute Sheets - like CSS, but for attributes!

2012-08-21 Thread Lea Verou
Ah, right, mea culpa. There’s still the option of restricting attribute selectors altogether or just not responding to attribute changes, but doing so for other kinds of changes. Of course being dynamic in some ways but not others will make it harder to teach and learn, but I believe the

Re: Proposal for Cascading Attribute Sheets - like CSS, but for attributes!

2012-08-21 Thread Tab Atkins Jr.
On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 4:07 PM, Glenn Maynard gl...@zewt.org wrote: FWIW, while I don't find the idea of attaching event listeners this way too interesting (maybe I could be convinced, but event capturing is already convenient for most of these examples), being able to say #myform input {

Re: Proposal for Cascading Attribute Sheets - like CSS, but for attributes!

2012-08-21 Thread Dimitri Glazkov
Can we extend this to custom DOM element registration somehow? ul.newsli { identity: x-news-item; } or maybe even: ul.newsli { identity: url(//example.com/test/news.html#news-item); } :DG On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 4:13 PM, Tab Atkins Jr. jackalm...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 21,

Push API draft update

2012-08-21 Thread EDUARDO FULLEA CARRERA
Hi all, Bryan Sullivan and myself have been working together on updating the Push API draft based upon feedback received and the work being driven by Mozilla and Telefonica to build a Push solution for Firefox OS (B2G). You can find it at: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/push/raw-file/default/index.html