Re: Copying multi-range selection

2015-08-15 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 9:04 PM, Richard Ishida wrote: > my question was specifically, why do it in a non-standard way for bidi text? > (typical scenario is split visual but one range internally) Which is not great for users, right? Also, as Addison points out, it's unclear how that would work on

RE: Copying multi-range selection

2015-08-15 Thread Phillips, Addison
> >> what's the use case driving this, and where are the requirements > >> coming from? > >> > >> i ask because i'm inclined to think that the circumstances in which > >> this would a produce useful results, given the way it carves up the > >> actual content, are quite, perhaps extremely, limited.

RE: Copying multi-range selection

2015-08-15 Thread Matitiahu Allouche
Hello, Anne! *** WARNING: longish comment, best left to readers really interested in bidi stuff *** This problem is well known in bidi circles, and as far as I know, has not been solved satisfactorily, and maybe even has no good solution. The heart of the problem is that a visually contiguou

Re: Copying multi-range selection

2015-08-15 Thread Richard Ishida
On 15/08/2015 13:38, Anne van Kesteren wrote: On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 10:23 AM, Richard Ishida wrote: what's the use case driving this, and where are the requirements coming from? i ask because i'm inclined to think that the circumstances in which this would a produce useful results, given the

Re: Copying multi-range selection

2015-08-15 Thread Johannes Wilm
On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 8:38 AM, Anne van Kesteren wrote: > On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 10:23 AM, Richard Ishida wrote: > > what's the use case driving this, and where are the requirements coming > > from? > > > > i ask because i'm inclined to think that the circumstances in which this > > would a p

Re: Copying multi-range selection

2015-08-15 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 10:23 AM, Richard Ishida wrote: > what's the use case driving this, and where are the requirements coming > from? > > i ask because i'm inclined to think that the circumstances in which this > would a produce useful results, given the way it carves up the actual > content,

Re: Copying multi-range selection

2015-08-15 Thread Wafaa Mohiy
Hi Anne, Not sure if this would answer your question, but in general, when it comes to BiDi you need to differentiate between the physical order (what is in memory, e.g, ABC) and the logical order (what the user expects to see (e.g., CBA). At the same time to handle copy/paste, you will be con

Re: Copying multi-range selection

2015-08-15 Thread Richard Ishida
On 15/08/2015 06:19, Anne van Kesteren wrote: On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 12:10 AM, Ryosuke Niwa wrote: We've been recently exploring ways to select bidirectional text and content that uses new CSS layout modes such as flex box in visually contagious manner. Because visually contagious range of c

Re: Copying multi-range selection

2015-08-15 Thread Mark Davis ☕️
We worked on this some years ago, and found that the cut/copy/paste were very, very complicated to get to be natural, and ended up dropping it. The problem is that if ...ABC... are adjacent ranges on the screen in the source (each letter is a range), people expect to see ...ABC... when it is paste