Re: Normative references to Workers.

2015-09-15 Thread Ian Hickson
specially since the W3C drafts are invariably out of date. IMHO the "Upgrade Insecure Requests" specification should just reference the WHATWG spec. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \

Re: Clarification of CSP sandbox and workers

2014-11-12 Thread Ian Hickson
be interesting. It's not clear to me whether any of the other flags would be useful, though. Ian, WDYT? Happy to add features if browsers are going to implement them. Just file a bug describing what the feature is. :-) -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http

Re: innerText spec

2014-09-16 Thread Ian Hickson
on this: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13145 https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=25159 As you say, Selection.toString() depends on this; the relevant bug is in a similar state: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=10583 -- Ian Hickson U+1047E

Re: {Spam?} Re: [xhr]

2014-09-03 Thread Ian Hickson
, WHATWG should avoid making indefinite-timescale, over-ambitious assertions. Hear hear. Indeed, a large part of moving to a living standard model is all about maintaining the agility to respond to changes to avoid having to make this very kind of assertion. -- Ian Hickson U

Re: {Spam?} Re: [xhr]

2014-09-03 Thread Ian Hickson
On Wed, 3 Sep 2014, Anne van Kesteren wrote: On Wed, Sep 3, 2014 at 7:07 PM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: Hear hear. Indeed, a large part of moving to a living standard model is all about maintaining the agility to respond to changes to avoid having to make this very kind of assertion

Re: Blocking message passing for Workers

2014-09-02 Thread Ian Hickson
=target_milestone=---version=unspecified HTH, -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'

Re: First Draft of W3C version of URL Spec

2014-08-28 Thread Ian Hickson
On Wed, 27 Aug 2014, Daniel Appelquist wrote: As you might know, the new charter for webapps includes a new version of the URL spec. I am acting as editor of this spec. What's the purpose of the W3C republishing this spec? -- Ian Hickson U+1047E

Re: First Draft of W3C version of URL Spec

2014-08-28 Thread Ian Hickson
On Thu, 28 Aug 2014, Glenn Adams wrote: On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 10:04 AM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: On Wed, 27 Aug 2014, Daniel Appelquist wrote: As you might know, the new charter for webapps includes a new version of the URL spec. I am acting as editor of this spec

Re: WebIDL Spec Status

2014-07-02 Thread Ian Hickson
for this kind of thing.) -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'

RE: WebIDL Spec Status

2014-07-02 Thread Ian Hickson
On Wed, 2 Jul 2014, Domenic Denicola wrote: From: Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch I've been reluctant to do so to avoid people ending up on obsolete versions (e.g. by following links from old source code) and not realising what's going on. This is the danger, but I think an appropriately

Re: WebIDL Spec Status

2014-06-27 Thread Ian Hickson
pointless, and at worst harmful, which is why I stand by the advice above. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'

Re: WebIDL Spec Status

2014-06-27 Thread Ian Hickson
On Fri, 27 Jun 2014, Glenn Adams wrote: Clearly we operate in different business regimes. If we both operate on the same Web content, then I don't think that matters, the interoperability issue is the same either way. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E

Re: WebIDL Spec Status

2014-06-26 Thread Ian Hickson
On Wed, 25 Jun 2014, Glenn Adams wrote: On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 8:28 PM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: Compraing implementations to anything but the very latest draft is not only a waste of time, it's actively harmful to interoperability. At no point should any implementor even

Re: WebIDL Spec Status

2014-06-24 Thread Ian Hickson
. At no point should any implementor even remotely consider making a change from implementing what is currently specified to what was previously specified, that would literally be going backwards. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A

Re: Indexed DB Transactions vs. Microtasks

2014-06-05 Thread Ian Hickson
to the event loop. And once it does return to the event loop, the next major thing _it_ does is perform a microtask checkpoint anyway. HTH. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things

Re: Custom Elements: 'data-' attributes

2014-05-08 Thread Ian Hickson
On Thu, 8 May 2014, Bruce Lawson wrote: On 7 May 2014 20:03, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: Requiring a dash is pretty ugly. I would allow any attribute, and we'll just have to be careful when introducing new global ones. I think the ship HMS Ugly has already sailed, given a dash

Re: Custom Elements: 'data-' attributes

2014-05-07 Thread Ian Hickson
treat namespaced groups of attributes like event handlers, microdata, or ARIA as single units (which they more or less are, for this problem, I think). -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A

Re: Custom Elements: 'data-' attributes

2014-05-07 Thread Ian Hickson
us to depend on some random search engines to make a guess as to which names are safe to use. That's basically how we've been doing it so far. I mean, it's not like disallowing people from making up attributes has stopped everyone from making up attributes. This is already a problem. -- Ian

Re: Should events be preferably sent to the Window or the nearest object?

2014-04-07 Thread Ian Hickson
such attributes to the HTML spec, just file a bug once you're confident that it won't change. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'

Re: XMLHttpRequest Level 1- specification history

2014-03-30 Thread Ian Hickson
! The canonical spec for XHR is Anne's, at http://xhr.spec.whatwg.org/. I really would rather the W3C stopped causing all this confusion with all these forks of WHATWG specs. It's harming the Web. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A

Re: XMLHttpRequest Level 1- specification history

2014-03-30 Thread Ian Hickson
, say, and thus can't change), then the WHATWG one is the one that the tests will match. And thus, the W3C one is not going to do anything to provide the work for the implementors to test and achieve the compatibility with. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E

Re: XMLHttpRequest Level 1- specification history

2014-03-29 Thread Ian Hickson
was initially defined as part of the WHATWG's HTML effort. (Much later, Microsoft shipped an implementation.) If this was the meaning, you would need a comma after Long after. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A

Re: Should events be preferably sent to the Window or the nearest object?

2014-03-20 Thread Ian Hickson
and scroll events go to the Window. So it makes sense to put new events there too. IMHO. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'

Re: On starting WebWorkers with blob: URLs...

2014-03-14 Thread Ian Hickson
On Fri, 14 Mar 2014, Arun Ranganathan wrote: On Mar 12, 2014, at 6:54 PM, Ian Hickson wrote: For blob: URLs we agreed to make this pretty explicit: http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/FileAPI/#originOfBlobURL Unfortunately, scripts don't have origins these days, so this definition

Re: On starting WebWorkers with blob: URLs...

2014-03-12 Thread Ian Hickson
. HTH, -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'

Re: Form submission participation (was Re: Goals for Shadow DOM review)

2014-02-21 Thread Ian Hickson
to involve string manipulation, the way that getElementById() or querySelector() would. (The last four examples above are all from the HTML spec.) -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A

Re: Form submission participation (was Re: Goals for Shadow DOM review)

2014-02-21 Thread Ian Hickson
of namespace conflicts with the built-in methods and properties of form. You can do this instead if that feels like a real risk: this.elements.a.value = process(value) ...but in practice I think it's a pretty minimal risk. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E

Re: Passsword managers and autocomplete='off'

2013-12-17 Thread Ian Hickson
.) -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'

Re: Passsword managers and autocomplete='off'

2013-12-13 Thread Ian Hickson
On Thu, 12 Dec 2013, Joel Weinberger wrote: This is a feature (or anti-feature, depending on your perspective :-) that has been touted as good security for quite some time (in fact, the W3C spec specifically calls it out in that regard). Which spec are we talking about here? -- Ian

Workers v2 (Was: Refactoring SharedWorkers out of Web Workers W3C spec)

2013-12-11 Thread Ian Hickson
of: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2012JanMar/0678.html http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2012JanMar/0695.html If this kind of thing is indeed feasible (I haven't studied it closely), it might make the need for sync APIs more moot. -- Ian Hickson

Re: Workers v2

2013-12-11 Thread Ian Hickson
specs). -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'

Re: Styling form control elements

2013-12-05 Thread Ian Hickson
); } ...in the CSS, since this is just presentation. What is so special about form controls or custom elements that warrant a completely different mechanism? Different than what? I'd love the markup to not be different whether or not we're using custom widget presentations. -- Ian Hickson

Re: Styling form control elements

2013-12-05 Thread Ian Hickson
On Thu, 5 Dec 2013, Ryosuke Niwa wrote: On Dec 5, 2013, at 8:49 AM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: On Thu, 5 Dec 2013, Ryosuke Niwa wrote: Let me understand the problem of styling/replacing builtin form controls. As I understand it, people want to do: select name=cities

Re: Styling form control elements

2013-12-05 Thread Ian Hickson
that declares those pseudo- elements (thought obviously behind the hood it doesn't need to be done that way). Obviously there's a limit to how much you can do with just this, but I think if we provide sufficient hooks, there needn't be that much of a limit. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E

Re: LINK only in HEAD?

2013-11-28 Thread Ian Hickson
things that they probably didn't intend. In the case of link in body, the main problem is late loading of style sheets leading to poor performance and flicker. If there are use cases where best practice would involve a link rel in the body, we can always change the rules here. -- Ian Hickson

Re: Allow javascript: URIs for registerProtocolHandler

2013-11-27 Thread Ian Hickson
Dictionary site directly. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'

Re: WebSocket API - server initiated close

2013-08-09 Thread Ian Hickson
, is that correct? Since the processing of an incoming close frame is handled in a task, it cannot be synchronous with a send() call. For specific details, see the exact algorithm described here: http://www.whatwg.org/html/#dom-websocket-send HTH, -- Ian Hickson U+1047E

Re: Bringing other Web Components specs into HTML

2013-06-16 Thread Ian Hickson
On Sun, 16 Jun 2013, Dimitri Glazkov wrote: On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 10:26 AM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: On Fri, 14 Jun 2013, Dirk Schulze wrote: On Jun 14, 2013, at 6:41 AM, Robin Berjon ro...@w3.org wrote: now that template is in HTML, I was wondering if some of the other

Re: Bringing other Web Components specs into HTML

2013-06-14 Thread Ian Hickson
of problems with have with things falling between the cracks. (See, e.g., how much of an improvement we made to that kind of thing when we merged DOM HTML and HTML.) -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A

Re: Web Storage's Normative References and PR / REC

2013-03-08 Thread Ian Hickson
it, since otherwise browsers are going to implement things that are wrong... (e.g. anyone implementing HTML4 now is going to be in a world of trouble because HTML4 has all kinds of mistakes in it, despite being a REC -- HTML4 is not stable at all.) -- Ian Hickson U+1047E

Re: Allow ... centralized dialog up front

2013-02-04 Thread Ian Hickson
| ++ And so on. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'

Re: [fullscreen-api] Allowing AJAX requests when in fullscreen mode

2013-01-25 Thread Ian Hickson
, there is a requirement to the effect that when navigating, you exit fullscreen. Maybe we should restrict that to cross-origin navigation. Ian, other Adam, thoughts? The history API doesn't involve navigation, unless I misunderstood the question. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E

Re: exposing CANVAS or something like it to Web Workers

2013-01-08 Thread Ian Hickson
at least, shunting ImageBitmaps across threads can be as efficient as commit(). -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'

Re: Server-Sent Events contradiction

2013-01-02 Thread Ian Hickson
of that problem. The error reporting widget on the WHATWG spec above should work, FWIW. E-mail is fine too though. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'

Re: Server-Sent Events contradiction

2013-01-02 Thread Ian Hickson
On Wed, 2 Jan 2013, Glenn Maynard wrote: On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 4:23 PM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: Since none of the browsers I could test reconnect for 500s currently as far as I can tell, I've changed the spec to not make 5xxs reconnect. The server load issue seems like

Re: CfC: publish WD of XHR; deadline November 29

2012-12-04 Thread Ian Hickson
On Tue, 4 Dec 2012, Charles McCathie Nevile wrote: This is a formal warning. I do not support the chairs in this. I stand by Ms2ger. He has not acted inappropriately and his complaints are valid. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch

Re: CfC: publish WD of XHR; deadline November 29

2012-12-03 Thread Ian Hickson
with the W3C at this time. This is just plagiarism. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'

Re: [Workers] Worker same-origin and usage in JS libraries...

2012-11-29 Thread Ian Hickson
On Tue, 17 Jul 2012, Ian Hickson wrote: My plan is to make it so that cross-origin URLs start cross-origin workers. The main unresolved question is how to do this in an opt-in manner. The best idea I've come up with so far is having scripts that want to opt-in to being run in such a way

Re: [admin] XHR ED Boilerplate

2012-11-26 Thread Ian Hickson
On Mon, 26 Nov 2012, Anne van Kesteren wrote: I agree with Ian's other observations/comments. On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 10:22 PM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: What I don't really understand, though, is why any of this is needed at all. What value is the W3C adding by creating

Re: CfC: publish WD of XHR; deadline November 29

2012-11-25 Thread Ian Hickson
a specification is justified is #2 above. We use open licenses on our specifications because of #1 and #2. We can't legally prevent #3 while allowing #1 and #2, so we rely on common sense and good faith to achieve #3. HTH, -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http

Re: CfC: publish WD of XHR; deadline November 29

2012-11-25 Thread Ian Hickson
On Sun, 25 Nov 2012, Jonas Sicking wrote: On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 12:38 PM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: On Sun, 25 Nov 2012, David Bruant wrote: The intent is clear: the WHATWG publishes documents in the public domain for very good reason. Anyone (W3C included!) can reuse them

Re: [admin] XHR ED Boilerplate

2012-11-23 Thread Ian Hickson
the goals might increase in scope somewhat, somewhat confusing. What I don't really understand, though, is why any of this is needed at all. What value is the W3C adding by creating these forks? -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U

Re: [admin] XHR ED Boilerplate

2012-11-23 Thread Ian Hickson
On Fri, 23 Nov 2012, Glenn Adams wrote: On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 2:22 PM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: What I don't really understand, though, is why any of this is needed at all. What value is the W3C adding by creating these forks? The problem as I see it is that the WHATWG

Re: exposing CANVAS or something like it to Web Workers

2012-11-16 Thread Ian Hickson
and the images with both 2d contexts and WebGL contexts I've now specced something like this; for details, see: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-whatwg-archive/2012Nov/0199.html -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A

Re: exposing CANVAS or something like it to Web Workers

2012-11-16 Thread Ian Hickson
. The idea in due course is to just expose rAF in workers. Please do read the e-mail above, which actually mentions that. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible

Re: Making offline apps easier?

2012-11-12 Thread Ian Hickson
will happen already given the currently-filed bugs. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'

Re: Call for Editor: URL spec

2012-11-06 Thread Ian Hickson
and passing them off as one's own. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'

Re: Call for Editor: URL spec

2012-11-05 Thread Ian Hickson
simultaneously decrying the evils of forking specifications, and with virtually no credit to the person doing the actual work. It's this hypocrisy that is new and notable. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A

Re: Should MutationObservers be able to observe work done by the HTML parser?

2012-10-23 Thread Ian Hickson
-during-parse is how we end up going, spec-wise, I think it's important for the use-cases that we deliver before each script runs. Fixed this also. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A

Re: [Server-Sent Events] Infinite reconnection clarification

2012-10-10 Thread Ian Hickson
FYI, I've updated the EventSource spec to do reconnection in the case of certain 5xx errors, DNS errors, and connection failures, as per a thread earlier this year. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A

Re: Sync API for workers

2012-09-04 Thread Ian Hickson
, you can no longer make any stable statements about where the other side is. This is why the ports used in dedicated Workers are hidden (so you can't send them anywhere). -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A

Re: Sync API for workers

2012-09-02 Thread Ian Hickson
in the WorkerGlobalScope and the API exposed through that interface, so that you can't send the port's endpoint around. But it's literally defined in terms of a MessagePort. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A

Re: Editor's draft created of DOM Parsing and Serialization Spec

2012-08-30 Thread Ian Hickson
tracking system: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?product=WebAppsWGcomponent=DOM%20Parsing%20and%20Serializationresolution=--- Please do not close bugs unless they are fixed in the canonical version of the spec as well (the one Ms2ger maintains). -- Ian Hickson U+1047E

Re: Drag Drop Web Apps

2012-08-13 Thread Ian Hickson
about security risks. (And many of those who incorrectly think they are educated are the most at risk.) HTH, -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'

Re: [IndexedDB] Problems unprefixing IndexedDB

2012-08-08 Thread Ian Hickson
having spec authors make sure that what they spec is compatible with what has shipped (at the very least by changing names when they change semantics), is of course the right solution here. :-) -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U

Re: Lazy Blob

2012-08-06 Thread Ian Hickson
a use case was here: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2012JulSep/0302.html http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2012JulSep/0288.html -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A

Re: Lazy Blob

2012-08-02 Thread Ian Hickson
, even if they were not familiar with the Web). What's the use case that is driving the ideas discussed in this thread in the context of Web Sockets? -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A

Re: Lazy Blob

2012-08-02 Thread Ian Hickson
communication with a remote server. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'

Re: Lazy Blob

2012-08-02 Thread Ian Hickson
, say. Or I want to provide a service to users that lets them merge data from a medical drugs database and a patient database, without giving me their credentials to those databases. Or some such. I don't know exactly what the use case here would be, hence my questions. -- Ian Hickson

Re: Lazy Blob

2012-08-02 Thread Ian Hickson
but not an XHR binding? Both would be useful, but my primary concern is Web Sockets, since I edit that spec. Before I can consider proposals that affect Web Sockets, I need to know what use case it is we're trying to address. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL

Re: Lazy Blob

2012-08-01 Thread Ian Hickson
we're trying to solve here. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'

Re: Web Activities: counter-proposal to Web Intents

2012-07-25 Thread Ian Hickson
/036719.html If anyone has any feedback on that, please e-mail the WHATWG list. (For background: The editors of the Web Intents draft suggested a few months back that I spec such a thing in the HTML spec, superceding their work and integrating it with the register*Handler() methods.) -- Ian

Re: Why the restriction on unauthenticated GET in CORS?

2012-07-20 Thread Ian Hickson
such as yours above are obviously moot. HTH, -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'

Re: Making template play nice with XML and tags-and-text

2012-07-18 Thread Ian Hickson
as now, except the create an element operations check if there's a template on the stack, and if there is, then they add the inert marker to the namespace, but everything else in the parser acts as if the marker is not there? -- Ian Hickson U+1047E

Re: [Workers] Worker same-origin and usage in JS libraries...

2012-07-17 Thread Ian Hickson
): // Cross-Origin Worker for all origins ...but that doesn't seem super neat. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'

Re: [Workers] Worker same-origin and usage in JS libraries...

2012-07-17 Thread Ian Hickson
this, I expect we'll find something that's somewhat language-agnostic (e.g. allowing any leading and trailing punctuation on the first line, or something to that effect). -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A

Re: Why the restriction on unauthenticated GET in CORS?

2012-07-17 Thread Ian Hickson
headers. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'

Re: CfC: publish Candidate Recommendation of Web Sockets API; deadline July 18

2012-07-12 Thread Ian Hickson
On Thu, 12 Jul 2012, Julian Reschke wrote: It almost seems to me that nobody cares over here what the W3C document actually says, as there is that other more helpful version. In which case I wonder why it's published at all? Patent policy. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E

Re: CfC: publish Candidate Recommendation of Web Sockets API; deadline July 18

2012-07-11 Thread Ian Hickson
that it will be maintained in future versions of the spec. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'

Re: [Server-Sent Events] Network connection clarification

2012-07-10 Thread Ian Hickson
control of how much load their servers get when they are having trouble. The alternative is that UAs will DOS networks without the networks having a way to gracefully reduce it. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A

Re: [Server-Sent Events] Network connection clarification

2012-07-10 Thread Ian Hickson
of convenience in error recovery feels like an omission in this API. If it's something we do want to eventually support, I think it's be something to consider for v2. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A

Re: [webcomponents] HTML Parsing and the template element

2012-06-14 Thread Ian Hickson
On Mon, 4 Jun 2012, Ian Hickson wrote: On Wed, 4 Apr 2012, Rafael Weinstein wrote: On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 3:21 PM, Dimitri Glazkov dglaz...@chromium.org wrote: Perhaps lost among other updates was the fact that I've gotten the first draft of HTML Templates spec out: http

Re: [Server-Sent Events] Infinite reconnection clarification

2012-06-11 Thread Ian Hickson
). This with *reconnection time* set to 500ms. As far as I can tell, none of that is conforming. If you yank the cable, they should retry once, then give up, per the spec. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A

Re: Implied Context Parsing (DocumentFragment.innerHTML, or similar) proposal details to be sorted out

2012-06-07 Thread Ian Hickson
on making something else a _lot_ better. (The number one way of making a spec fail is to ignore backwards compatibility, of course. Which in a way is the same thing, just on a larger scale.) -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A

Re: Proposal: Document.parse() [AKA: Implied Context Parsing]

2012-06-05 Thread Ian Hickson
been updated accordingly. On Tue, 5 Jun 2012, Anne van Kesteren wrote: A (bigger?) problem with E4H/H4E is that TC39 does not like it: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-script-coord/2011OctDec/thread.html#msg33 What matters is what implementors want to do. -- Ian Hickson

Re: [webcomponents] HTML Parsing and the template element

2012-06-04 Thread Ian Hickson
suppose we could go back to having an attribute on template, this time setting the context at a more coarse level of just HTML vs SVG vs MathML; that's more likely to be understood by authors than what I was suggesting before (in table body, etc). -- Ian Hickson U+1047E

Re: Proposal: Document.parse() [AKA: Implied Context Parsing]

2012-06-04 Thread Ian Hickson
offer better injection protection. [1] (This is not the same as auto-escaping strings in other contexts. For example, E4H doesn't propose to have CSS literals, so a string embedded in a style= attribute wouldn't be automagically safe.) -- Ian Hickson U+1047E

Re: [webcomponents] HTML Parsing and the template element

2012-06-04 Thread Ian Hickson
had no choice because UAs already had them. Here, we have a choice. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'

Re: Proposal: Document.parse() [AKA: Implied Context Parsing]

2012-06-04 Thread Ian Hickson
feedback would be beneficial to authors here. Let's do it! As far as I can tell, the impact on a JS parser would be pretty minimal. http://www.hixie.ch/specs/e4h/strawman Who wants to be first to implement it? -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http

Re: CfC: publish FPWD of Fullscreen spec; deadline May 24

2012-06-01 Thread Ian Hickson
the parent's stacking context has no effect, etc. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'

Re: Shared workers - use .source instead of .ports[0] ?

2012-06-01 Thread Ian Hickson
On Wed, 11 Apr 2012, Ian Hickson wrote: I'm fine with making changes here. The following proposals seem to make the most sense, though I'm sure others could work too: 2. Make the .source attribute be of type (MessagePort or WindowProxy)? and add the port to .source, also leaving

Re: App Manifest API Proposal

2012-05-12 Thread Ian Hickson
understand the question, and the installation security model of curating apps and trying to determine by empirical examination whether an application is trustworthy or not just doesn't scale. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A

Re: [webcomponents] Template element parser changes = Proposal for adding DocumentFragment.innerHTML

2012-05-10 Thread Ian Hickson
know where you'll be putting the document fragment or what kind of content is in it? -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'

Re: [webcomponents] Template element parser changes = Proposal for adding DocumentFragment.innerHTML

2012-05-10 Thread Ian Hickson
On Thu, 10 May 2012, Tab Atkins Jr. wrote: On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 11:20 PM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: On Thu, 10 May 2012, Tab Atkins Jr. wrote: Still, requiring an explicit context declaration *at all* defeats most of the purpose of the API.  Again, if we don't auto-detect SVG

Re: [webcomponents] Template element parser changes = Proposal for adding DocumentFragment.innerHTML

2012-05-10 Thread Ian Hickson
On Thu, 10 May 2012, Erik Arvidsson wrote: On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 3:18 PM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: Yes, I understand that. But what's the use case? http://code.google.com/p/dart/source/search?q=new%5CsElement%5C.html%5C%28origq=new%5CsElement%5C.html%5C%28btnG=Search+Trunk I'm

Re: [webcomponents] Template element parser changes = Proposal for adding DocumentFragment.innerHTML

2012-05-10 Thread Ian Hickson
for that. On Thu, 10 May 2012, Scott Gonz�lez wrote: Why is simplicity not enough of an answer? It's a fine answer. But I don't think magical APIs are simple. Simplicity in this case IMHO argues for explicitly selected context. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E

Re: [webcomponents] Template element parser changes = Proposal for adding DocumentFragment.innerHTML

2012-05-10 Thread Ian Hickson
a given that just because jQuery does something one way, it makes sense for the Web platform to do it that way as well. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just

Re: [webcomponents] Template element parser changes = Proposal for adding DocumentFragment.innerHTML

2012-05-10 Thread Ian Hickson
DOM trees. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'

Re: [webcomponents] Template element parser changes = Proposal for adding DocumentFragment.innerHTML

2012-05-10 Thread Ian Hickson
On Thu, 10 May 2012, Scott Gonz�lez wrote: On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 7:01 PM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: But I'm very skeptical about creating new APIs to encourage authors to use injection-prone, non-type-checked, direct string manipulation in script to generate DOM trees. Do

Re: [webcomponents] Template element parser changes = Proposal for adding DocumentFragment.innerHTML

2012-05-10 Thread Ian Hickson
. People said the same about font. I chose to be more optimistic. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'

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