Re: [XHR2] AnonXMLHttpRequest()

2010-02-04 Thread Kenton Varda
On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 2:05 PM, Tyler Close tyler.cl...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 2:34 PM, Maciej Stachowiak m...@apple.com wrote: I don't think I've ever seen a Web server send Vary: Cookie. I don't know offhand if they consistently send enough cache control headers to prevent

Re: Scientific Literature on Capabilities (was Re: CORS versus Uniform Messaging?)

2009-12-21 Thread Kenton Varda
On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 5:35 PM, Adam Barth w...@adambarth.com wrote: On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 5:17 PM, Kenton Varda ken...@google.com wrote: The problem we're getting at is that CORS is being presented as a security mechanism, when in fact it does not provide security. Yes, CORS

Re: Scientific Literature on Capabilities (was Re: CORS versus Uniform Messaging?)

2009-12-18 Thread Kenton Varda
On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 12:04 AM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: On Thu, 17 Dec 2009, Kenton Varda wrote: With the right capability-based infrastructure, the capability-based solution would be trivial too. We don't have this infrastructure. This is a valid concern. It's not so much

Re: Scientific Literature on Capabilities (was Re: CORS versus Uniform Messaging?)

2009-12-17 Thread Kenton Varda
Somehow I suspect all this has been said many times before... On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 11:45 PM, Maciej Stachowiak m...@apple.com wrote: CORS would provide at least two benefits, using the exact protocol you'd use with UM: 1) It lets you know what site is sending the request; with UM there is

Re: Scientific Literature on Capabilities (was Re: CORS versus Uniform Messaging?)

2009-12-17 Thread Kenton Varda
On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 2:21 AM, Maciej Stachowiak m...@apple.com wrote: On Dec 17, 2009, at 1:42 AM, Kenton Varda wrote: Somehow I suspect all this has been said many times before... On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 11:45 PM, Maciej Stachowiak m...@apple.com wrote: CORS would provide at least two

Re: Scientific Literature on Capabilities (was Re: CORS versus Uniform Messaging?)

2009-12-17 Thread Kenton Varda
On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Maciej Stachowiak m...@apple.com wrote: On Dec 17, 2009, at 9:15 AM, Kenton Varda wrote: On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 2:21 AM, Maciej Stachowiak m...@apple.com wrote: I'm not saying that Alice should be restricted in who she shares the feed with. Just

Re: Scientific Literature on Capabilities (was Re: CORS versus Uniform Messaging?)

2009-12-17 Thread Kenton Varda
On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 12:58 PM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: With CORS, I can trivially (one line in the .htaccess file for my site) make sure that no sites can use XBL files from my site other than my sites. My sites don't do any per-user tracking; doing that would involve orders of

Re: Scientific Literature on Capabilities (was Re: CORS versus Uniform Messaging?)

2009-12-17 Thread Kenton Varda
On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 4:41 PM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: What one liner are your proposing that would solve the problem for XBL, XML data, videos, etc, all at once? Are we debating about the state of existing infrastructure, or theoretically ideal infrastructure? Honest question.

Re: Scientific Literature on Capabilities (was Re: CORS versus Uniform Messaging?)

2009-12-17 Thread Kenton Varda
Dec 2009, Kenton Varda wrote: On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 12:58 PM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: With CORS, I can trivially (one line in the .htaccess file for my site) make sure that no sites can use XBL files from my site other than my sites. My sites don't do any per-user tracking

Re: Scientific Literature on Capabilities (was Re: CORS versus Uniform Messaging?)

2009-12-16 Thread Kenton Varda
Without the benefit of full context (I only started following this list recently), I'd like cautiously to suggest that the UM solution to Ian's challenge seems awkward because the challenge is itself a poor design, and UM tends to be more difficult to work with when used to implement designs that

Re: Scientific Literature on Capabilities (was Re: CORS versus Uniform Messaging?)

2009-12-16 Thread Kenton Varda
On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 9:25 PM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: A concrete example of the example I was talking about is Google's Finance GData API. There's a fixed URL on A (Google's site) that represents my finance information. There's a site B (my portal page) that is hard-coded to fetch