Re: CfC: publish WG Note of UI Events; deadline November 14
Hi All, This CfC (original thread is [1]) is now moving forward and on March 17 there will be two publications: 1. /UI Events (Keyboard Extension)/; W3C Working Group Note; (draft is http://jay.w3.org/~plehegar/uievents-ext.html). 2. /UI Events Specification (formerly DOM Level 3 Events)/; W3C Working Draft; (draft is http://jay.w3.org/~plehegar/uievents.html). The following redirects will also be made: 1. http://www.w3.org/TR/DOM-Level-3-Events/ will redirect to http://www.w3.org/TR/uievents/. 2. http://www.w3.org/TR/uievents/ will redirect to http://www.w3.org/TR/2015/WD-uievents-20150317/. -Regards, ArtB [1] https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-dom/2014OctDec/0039.html On 11/7/14 10:28 AM, Arthur Barstow wrote: During WebApps' October 27 meeting, the participants agreed to stop work on the UI Events spec and to publish it as a WG Note (see [Mins]). As such, this is a formal Call for Consensus (CfC) to: a) Stop work on this spec b) Publish a gutted WG Note of the spec; see [Draft-Note] c) Gut the ED (this will be done if/when this CfC passes) d) Prefix the spec's [Bugs] with HISTORICAL and turn off creating new bugs e) Travis will move all bugs that are relevant to D3E to the D3E bug component Note Action-734 resulted in a discussion about the rationale for this proposal ([Discuss]). If anyone has comments or concerns about this CfC, please reply by November 14 at the latest. Positive response is preferred and encouraged and silence will be considered as agreement with the proposal. In the absence of any non-resolvable issues, I will see make sure the Note is published. -Thanks, AB [Mins] http://www.w3.org/2014/10/27-webapps-minutes.html#item05 [Draft-Note] https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/d4e/raw-file/default/tr.html [Bugs] https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?product=WebAppsWGcomponent=UI%20Eventsresolution=--- [Discuss] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2014OctDec/0262.html
Re: CfC: publish WG Note of UI Events; deadline November 14
On 11/21/14 8:43 AM, Philippe Le Hegaret wrote: On Wed, 2014-11-19 at 09:44 -0500, Arthur Barstow wrote: On 11/19/14 9:35 AM, Anne van Kesteren wrote: On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 3:20 PM, Arthur Barstow art.bars...@gmail.com wrote: Although there appears to be agreement that work on the [uievents] spec should stop, the various replies raise sufficient questions that I consider this CfC (as written) as failed. Travis, Gary - would you please make a specific proposal for these two specs? In particular, what is the title and shortname for each document, and which spec/shortname becomes the WG Note? After we have agreed on a way forward, I'll start a new CfC. (I believe the Principle of Least Surprise here means considering specs that currently reference [uievents] or [DOM-Level-3-Events]. F.ex., I suppose a document titled UI Events with a shortname of DOM-Level-3-Events could be a bit confusing to some, although strictly speaking could be done.) My proposal would be to update UI Events with the latest editor's draft of DOM Level 3 Events (title renamed, of course) and have the DOM Level 3 Events URL redirect to UI Events. That would communicate clearly what happened. Yves, Philippe - can Anne's proposal be done? I'm not aware of any reason that would prevent us from doing so. Hi Travis, Gary, Philippe, Since Anne's proposal hasn't been implemented, what exactly is the plan for these two specs? There is also a related proposal DOM L3 Events Input Events Work to the Editing Task Force by Ben [Ben] and followup by Gary [Gary]. What do you recommend here, i.e., Who is going to do What and When? -Thanks, ArtB [Ben] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2014OctDec/0575.html [Gary] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2014OctDec/0576.html
Re: CfC: publish WG Note of UI Events; deadline November 14
On Wed, 2014-12-10 at 10:22 -0500, Arthur Barstow wrote: Hi Travis, Gary, Philippe, Since Anne's proposal hasn't been implemented, what exactly is the plan for these two specs? There is also a related proposal DOM L3 Events Input Events Work to the Editing Task Force by Ben [Ben] and followup by Gary [Gary]. What do you recommend here, i.e., Who is going to do What and When? I sent a few questions to the editors on this front but didn't receive responses. I'd like some guidances here before publishing. Philippe
Re: CfC: publish WG Note of UI Events; deadline November 14
On Wed, 2014-11-19 at 09:44 -0500, Arthur Barstow wrote: On 11/19/14 9:35 AM, Anne van Kesteren wrote: On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 3:20 PM, Arthur Barstow art.bars...@gmail.com wrote: Although there appears to be agreement that work on the [uievents] spec should stop, the various replies raise sufficient questions that I consider this CfC (as written) as failed. Travis, Gary - would you please make a specific proposal for these two specs? In particular, what is the title and shortname for each document, and which spec/shortname becomes the WG Note? After we have agreed on a way forward, I'll start a new CfC. (I believe the Principle of Least Surprise here means considering specs that currently reference [uievents] or [DOM-Level-3-Events]. F.ex., I suppose a document titled UI Events with a shortname of DOM-Level-3-Events could be a bit confusing to some, although strictly speaking could be done.) My proposal would be to update UI Events with the latest editor's draft of DOM Level 3 Events (title renamed, of course) and have the DOM Level 3 Events URL redirect to UI Events. That would communicate clearly what happened. Yves, Philippe - can Anne's proposal be done? I'm not aware of any reason that would prevent us from doing so. Philippe
Re: CfC: publish WG Note of UI Events; deadline November 14
On 11/7/14 10:28 AM, Arthur Barstow wrote: During WebApps' October 27 meeting, the participants agreed to stop work on the UI Events spec and to publish it as a WG Note (see [Mins]). As such, this is a formal Call for Consensus (CfC) to: a) Stop work on this spec b) Publish a gutted WG Note of the spec; see [Draft-Note] c) Gut the ED (this will be done if/when this CfC passes) d) Prefix the spec's [Bugs] with HISTORICAL and turn off creating new bugs e) Travis will move all bugs that are relevant to D3E to the D3E bug component Although there appears to be agreement that work on the [uievents] spec should stop, the various replies raise sufficient questions that I consider this CfC (as written) as failed. Travis, Gary - would you please make a specific proposal for these two specs? In particular, what is the title and shortname for each document, and which spec/shortname becomes the WG Note? After we have agreed on a way forward, I'll start a new CfC. (I believe the Principle of Least Surprise here means considering specs that currently reference [uievents] or [DOM-Level-3-Events]. F.ex., I suppose a document titled UI Events with a shortname of DOM-Level-3-Events could be a bit confusing to some, although strictly speaking could be done.) -Thanks, AB [uievents] http://www.w3.org/TR/uievents/ [DOM-Level-3-Events] http://www.w3.org/TR/DOM-Level-3-Events/ [Mins] http://www.w3.org/2014/10/27-webapps-minutes.html#item05 [Draft-Note] https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/d4e/raw-file/default/tr.html [Bugs] https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?product=WebAppsWGcomponent=UI%20Eventsresolution=--- [Discuss] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2014OctDec/0262.html
Re: CfC: publish WG Note of UI Events; deadline November 14
On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 3:20 PM, Arthur Barstow art.bars...@gmail.com wrote: Although there appears to be agreement that work on the [uievents] spec should stop, the various replies raise sufficient questions that I consider this CfC (as written) as failed. Travis, Gary - would you please make a specific proposal for these two specs? In particular, what is the title and shortname for each document, and which spec/shortname becomes the WG Note? After we have agreed on a way forward, I'll start a new CfC. (I believe the Principle of Least Surprise here means considering specs that currently reference [uievents] or [DOM-Level-3-Events]. F.ex., I suppose a document titled UI Events with a shortname of DOM-Level-3-Events could be a bit confusing to some, although strictly speaking could be done.) My proposal would be to update UI Events with the latest editor's draft of DOM Level 3 Events (title renamed, of course) and have the DOM Level 3 Events URL redirect to UI Events. That would communicate clearly what happened. -- https://annevankesteren.nl/
Re: CfC: publish WG Note of UI Events; deadline November 14
On 11/19/14 9:35 AM, Anne van Kesteren wrote: On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 3:20 PM, Arthur Barstow art.bars...@gmail.com wrote: Although there appears to be agreement that work on the [uievents] spec should stop, the various replies raise sufficient questions that I consider this CfC (as written) as failed. Travis, Gary - would you please make a specific proposal for these two specs? In particular, what is the title and shortname for each document, and which spec/shortname becomes the WG Note? After we have agreed on a way forward, I'll start a new CfC. (I believe the Principle of Least Surprise here means considering specs that currently reference [uievents] or [DOM-Level-3-Events]. F.ex., I suppose a document titled UI Events with a shortname of DOM-Level-3-Events could be a bit confusing to some, although strictly speaking could be done.) My proposal would be to update UI Events with the latest editor's draft of DOM Level 3 Events (title renamed, of course) and have the DOM Level 3 Events URL redirect to UI Events. That would communicate clearly what happened. Yves, Philippe - can Anne's proposal be done?
Re: CfC: publish WG Note of UI Events; deadline November 14
+1 On 19-Nov-2014 8:07 pm, Anne van Kesteren ann...@annevk.nl wrote: On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 3:20 PM, Arthur Barstow art.bars...@gmail.com wrote: Although there appears to be agreement that work on the [uievents] spec should stop, the various replies raise sufficient questions that I consider this CfC (as written) as failed. Travis, Gary - would you please make a specific proposal for these two specs? In particular, what is the title and shortname for each document, and which spec/shortname becomes the WG Note? After we have agreed on a way forward, I'll start a new CfC. (I believe the Principle of Least Surprise here means considering specs that currently reference [uievents] or [DOM-Level-3-Events]. F.ex., I suppose a document titled UI Events with a shortname of DOM-Level-3-Events could be a bit confusing to some, although strictly speaking could be done.) My proposal would be to update UI Events with the latest editor's draft of DOM Level 3 Events (title renamed, of course) and have the DOM Level 3 Events URL redirect to UI Events. That would communicate clearly what happened. -- https://annevankesteren.nl/
Re: CfC: publish WG Note of UI Events; deadline November 14
On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 7:36 AM, Anne van Kesteren ann...@annevk.nl wrote: On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 4:28 PM, Arthur Barstow art.bars...@gmail.com wrote: If anyone has comments or concerns about this CfC, please reply by November 14 at the latest. My concern is that we previously agreed that UI Events would be a much more suitable name for the contents of DOM Level 3 Events. I agree. UI Events is a much more descriptive name for the content. My primary concern is that we (specifically, I) have been telling people that UI Events is not the same as D3E. If we change this, then I'll have to have those conversations all over again, but reversed. ^_^ But we would keep using DOM Level 3 Events because it would be done quickly and then we'd move on to UI Events. As we now know we did not finish DOM Level 3 Events quickly. FWIW, we pushed to have it done quickly and it was delayed: (1) once because the spec was a step backward from DOM2 in some regards and that needed to be fixed, (2) again because there was feedback that style and presentation should be updated to match more recent specs. #2 is when the WG effectively decided that cleaning up the presentation was more important than releasing it quickly. So I would like us to abandon that name and settle on UI Events. SGTM. With regards to the current contents of UI Events, I assume that publishing a gutted WD Note is meant simply to establish a historical record of what was worked on before the content is deleted? When we were focusing on completing the D3E spec quickly, this is where we sent items that we felt should be part of D3E, but would take too much time to finalize. We'll want to reconsider some of these items for inclusion back in D3E (er... I mean UI Events). -Gary
Re: CfC: publish WG Note of UI Events; deadline November 14
On 11/7/14 10:36 AM, Anne van Kesteren wrote: On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 4:28 PM, Arthur Barstow art.bars...@gmail.com wrote: If anyone has comments or concerns about this CfC, please reply by November 14 at the latest. My concern is that we previously agreed that UI Events would be a much more suitable name for the contents of DOM Level 3 Events. Please provide a link to that agreement. But we would keep using DOM Level 3 Events because it would be done quickly and then we'd move on to UI Events. As we now know we did not finish DOM Level 3 Events quickly. So I would like us to abandon that name and settle on UI Events. Travis, Gary - what are your thoughts on Anne's proposal? -Thanks, AB
CfC: publish WG Note of UI Events; deadline November 14
During WebApps' October 27 meeting, the participants agreed to stop work on the UI Events spec and to publish it as a WG Note (see [Mins]). As such, this is a formal Call for Consensus (CfC) to: a) Stop work on this spec b) Publish a gutted WG Note of the spec; see [Draft-Note] c) Gut the ED (this will be done if/when this CfC passes) d) Prefix the spec's [Bugs] with HISTORICAL and turn off creating new bugs e) Travis will move all bugs that are relevant to D3E to the D3E bug component Note Action-734 resulted in a discussion about the rationale for this proposal ([Discuss]). If anyone has comments or concerns about this CfC, please reply by November 14 at the latest. Positive response is preferred and encouraged and silence will be considered as agreement with the proposal. In the absence of any non-resolvable issues, I will see make sure the Note is published. -Thanks, AB [Mins] http://www.w3.org/2014/10/27-webapps-minutes.html#item05 [Draft-Note] https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/d4e/raw-file/default/tr.html [Bugs] https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?product=WebAppsWGcomponent=UI%20Eventsresolution=--- [Discuss] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2014OctDec/0262.html
Re: CfC: publish WG Note of UI Events; deadline November 14
On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 4:28 PM, Arthur Barstow art.bars...@gmail.com wrote: If anyone has comments or concerns about this CfC, please reply by November 14 at the latest. My concern is that we previously agreed that UI Events would be a much more suitable name for the contents of DOM Level 3 Events. But we would keep using DOM Level 3 Events because it would be done quickly and then we'd move on to UI Events. As we now know we did not finish DOM Level 3 Events quickly. So I would like us to abandon that name and settle on UI Events. -- https://annevankesteren.nl/
RE: CfC: publish WG Note of UI Events; deadline November 14
To clarify: are you asking to rename DOM Level 3 Events to UI Events? Perhaps a fresh name would help get that spec done faster :) Gary what do you think? -Original Message- From: annevankeste...@gmail.com [mailto:annevankeste...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Anne van Kesteren Sent: Friday, November 7, 2014 7:36 AM To: Arthur Barstow Cc: public-webapps; www-...@w3.org Subject: Re: CfC: publish WG Note of UI Events; deadline November 14 On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 4:28 PM, Arthur Barstow art.bars...@gmail.com wrote: If anyone has comments or concerns about this CfC, please reply by November 14 at the latest. My concern is that we previously agreed that UI Events would be a much more suitable name for the contents of DOM Level 3 Events. But we would keep using DOM Level 3 Events because it would be done quickly and then we'd move on to UI Events. As we now know we did not finish DOM Level 3 Events quickly. So I would like us to abandon that name and settle on UI Events. -- https://annevankesteren.nl/