Re: Nice version Re: Minutes of Shadow DOM meeting
Will do. :DG On Sun, Apr 26, 2015 at 2:08 AM, cha...@yandex-team.ru wrote: Attached here is a clean version, which will be archived. Note that there was a lot of sidechat in IRC it is unclear how much of that everyone in the room was aware of. I hope the minutes are a pretty accurate record now, but if people feel otherwise I hope they say so. I'll link this version to the meeting page in the wiki: https://www.w3.org/wiki/Webapps/WebComponentsApril2015Meeting Dimitri, can you please forward the link to attendees who are not members of webapps? cheers 26.04.2015, 00:14, cha...@yandex-team.ru cha...@yandex-team.ru: 25.04.2015, 14:45, Bjoern Hoehrmann derhoe...@gmx.net: * cha...@yandex-team.ru wrote: We'll post a summary - there is most of one at https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1hnCoaJTXkfSSHD5spISJ76nqbDcOVNMamgByiz3QWLA/edit?pli=1#gid=0 Perhaps a document in some kind of open format would be a better medium than some proprietary application with unclear stability policies that does not work in my browser. The minutes (thanks to Taylor Savage fora great scribing job) are at http://www.w3.org/2015/04/25-webapps-minutes.html That contains just a few lines. Looks like the decade-old UTC day change bug is still plaguing the minutes generation tool. Sigh. Well, alternatively it is the decades-old scribe forgetting to do the thing right… I'll put together the minutes and repost them shortly. I've attached a rough version but I'll need to do some more cleaning because I made a mess halfway through. The content is there and legible at least… -- Björn Höhrmann · mailto:bjo...@hoehrmann.de · http://bjoern.hoehrmann.de D-10243 Berlin · PGP Pub. KeyID: 0xA4357E78 · http://www.bjoernsworld.de cheers -- Charles McCathie Nevile - web standards - CTO Office, Yandex cha...@yandex-team.ru - - - Find more at http://yandex.com -- Charles McCathie Nevile - web standards - CTO Office, Yandex cha...@yandex-team.ru - - - Find more at http://yandex.com
Nice version Re: Minutes of Shadow DOM meeting
Attached here is a clean version, which will be archived. Note that there was a lot of sidechat in IRC it is unclear how much of that everyone in the room was aware of. I hope the minutes are a pretty accurate record now, but if people feel otherwise I hope they say so. I'll link this version to the meeting page in the wiki: https://www.w3.org/wiki/Webapps/WebComponentsApril2015Meeting Dimitri, can you please forward the link to attendees who are not members of webapps? cheers 26.04.2015, 00:14, cha...@yandex-team.ru cha...@yandex-team.ru: 25.04.2015, 14:45, Bjoern Hoehrmann derhoe...@gmx.net: * cha...@yandex-team.ru wrote: We'll post a summary - there is most of one at https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1hnCoaJTXkfSSHD5spISJ76nqbDcOVNMamgByiz3QWLA/edit?pli=1#gid=0 Perhaps a document in some kind of open format would be a better medium than some proprietary application with unclear stability policies that does not work in my browser. The minutes (thanks to Taylor Savage fora great scribing job) are at http://www.w3.org/2015/04/25-webapps-minutes.html That contains just a few lines. Looks like the decade-old UTC day change bug is still plaguing the minutes generation tool. Sigh. Well, alternatively it is the decades-old scribe forgetting to do the thing right… I'll put together the minutes and repost them shortly. I've attached a rough version but I'll need to do some more cleaning because I made a mess halfway through. The content is there and legible at least… -- Björn Höhrmann · mailto:bjo...@hoehrmann.de · http://bjoern.hoehrmann.de D-10243 Berlin · PGP Pub. KeyID: 0xA4357E78 · http://www.bjoernsworld.de cheers -- Charles McCathie Nevile - web standards - CTO Office, Yandex cha...@yandex-team.ru - - - Find more at http://yandex.com -- Charles McCathie Nevile - web standards - CTO Office, Yandex cha...@yandex-team.ru - - - Find more at http://yandex.comTitle: Web apps Web Components meeting -- 26 Apr 2015 - DRAFT - Webapps Web Components meeting 24 Apr 2015 Agenda Attendees Present Chaals, Léonie, Mikeâ¢, AnnevK, Arron, Travis, Hayato, Smaug, DGlazkov, CWilso, AlexR, SamW, Maciej, TedOC, HayatoIto, Rysouke, JanMiskovsky, DomenicD, Travis_Leithead, AliceBoxhall, WilliamChen, ScottM, ErikBryn, MarkG, SteveOrvell, Misko, WilsonPage, AdamKlein, TaylorSavage, JustinF Regrets Chair DGlazkov, chaals Scribe chaals, taylor Contents Topics Introductions State of consensus and contention Multiple shadow roots per element Default value of "closed shadow tree" Imperative distribution API Separate event retargeting from style composition Shadow boundary piercing combinators consensus points... what does closed *mean*? Event retargeting Named slots Styling Summary of Action Items Summary of Resolutions chaals scribe: chaals Introductions DG: Lots of people here... that's good. ... goal of the meeting is to make sure we move Web Components closer to being interoperable standard (actually shipped...) ... There are some contentious bits on Shadow DOM, and we aim to resolve that here. ... We need to determine what goes into v1 that we can all live with and ship - and put the rest into a v2 ... I would like to leave here not just feeling happy, but actually going to do work and knowing what it will be. ... would like to have champions for the things that we have to do still. ... The goal is to get browsers implementing, but we need experts from the rest of the ecosystem to tell us about their experience too. CW: Chris Wilson - mostly here to find the tea... (Googler) RN: Ryosuke Niwa, Apple AB: Alice Boxhall, Google accessibility - chrome Misko: work on angular.js OP: Olli Pettay / Smaug from mozilla WC: William Chen, firefox EO: Ted OConnor, Apple HI: Hayato Ito, work on shadow dom for google and spec it JustinF: Work on polymer AvK: Anne, work for moz on standards SW: Sam Weinig, Apple MS: Mike⢠Smith, W3C LJW: Léonie Watson, Paciello Group. CMN: Chaals from Yandex AE: Arron Eicholz, MS - work on webapps TL: Travis Leithead - the MS guy EB: Erik Bryn MG: Mark Giffin, writing web components docs for MDN WP: Wilson Page, working with Web Components on firefox OS Jan: Founder of component kitchen MJS: Maciej, webkit at Apple AR: Alex Russell, googler on web platform AK: Adam Klein, V8 at google SM: Scott Miles, work on polymer team TS: Taylor Savage, google SO: Steve Orvell google [polymer team people listening on the phone - we don't let them speak] dfreedm here in irc as well [Domenic Denicola (Google) arrived later] State of consensus and contention DG: Most vendors aside from Google have explained their current position... ... would like to figure out how important contentions are - blocker, useful to have, v1 or v2 or... misko https://github.com/w3c/webcomponents/wiki/Shadow-DOM:-Contentious-Bits -
Re: Minutes of Shadow DOM meeting
25.04.2015, 14:45, Bjoern Hoehrmann derhoe...@gmx.net: * cha...@yandex-team.ru wrote: We'll post a summary - there is most of one at https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1hnCoaJTXkfSSHD5spISJ76nqbDcOVNMamgByiz3QWLA/edit?pli=1#gid=0 Perhaps a document in some kind of open format would be a better medium than some proprietary application with unclear stability policies that does not work in my browser. The minutes (thanks to Taylor Savage fora great scribing job) are at http://www.w3.org/2015/04/25-webapps-minutes.html That contains just a few lines. Looks like the decade-old UTC day change bug is still plaguing the minutes generation tool. Sigh. Well, alternatively it is the decades-old scribe forgetting to do the thing right… I'll put together the minutes and repost them shortly. I've attached a rough version but I'll need to do some more cleaning because I made a mess halfway through. The content is there and legible at least… -- Björn Höhrmann · mailto:bjo...@hoehrmann.de · http://bjoern.hoehrmann.de D-10243 Berlin · PGP Pub. KeyID: 0xA4357E78 · http://www.bjoernsworld.de cheers -- Charles McCathie Nevile - web standards - CTO Office, Yandex cha...@yandex-team.ru - - - Find more at http://yandex.com Title: Web apps Web COmponents meeting -- 24 Apr 2015 - DRAFT - Web apps Web COmponents meeting 24 Apr 2015 Agenda See also: IRC log Attendees Present Chaals, Léonie, Mikeâ¢, AnnevK, Arron, Travis, Hayato, Smaug, DGlazkov, CWilso, AlexR, SamW, Maciej, TedOC, Domenic, Travis_Leithead, AliceBoxhall, WilliamChen, ScottM, ErikBryn, MarkG, SteveOrvell, Misko, WilsonPage, AdamKlein, TaylorSavage Regrets Chair DGlazkov, chaals Scribe chaals Contents Topics Introductions State of consensus and contention Multiple shadow roots per element Default value of "closed shadow tree" Imperative distribution API Seperate event retargeting from style composition Shadow boundary piercing combinators consensus points... what does closed *mean*? Event retargetting Named slots Styling Summary of Action Items Summary of Resolutions Introductions DG: Lots of people here... that's good. ... goal of the meeting is to make sure we move Web Components closer to being interoperable standard (actually shipped...) ... There are some contentious bits on Shadow DOM, and we aim to resolve that here. ... We need to determine what goes into v1 that we can all live with and ship - and put the rest into a v2 ... I would like to leave here not just feeling happy, but actually going to do work and knowing what it will be. ... would like to have champions for the things that we have to do still. ... The goal is to get browsers implementing, but we need experts from the rest of the ecosystem to tell us about their experience too. CW: Chris Wilson - mostly here to find the tea... (Googler) RN: Ryosuke Niwa, Apple AB: Alice Boxhall, Google accessibility - chrome Misko: work on angular.js OP: Smaug from mozilla WC: William Chen, firefox EO: Ted O'Connor, Apple HI: Hayato Ito, work on shadow dom for google and spec it Justin: Work on polymer AvK: Anne, work for Mozilla on standards SW: Sam Weinig, Apple MS: Mike⢠Smith, W3C LJW: Léonie Watson, Paciello Group. CMN: Chaals from Yandex AE: Arron Eichols, MS - work on webapps TL: Travis Leithead - the MS guy EB: Erik Bryn MG: Mark Giffin, writing web components docs for MDN WP: Wilson Page, working with Web Components on firefox OS Jan: Founder of component kitchen MJS: Maciej, webkit at Apple AR: Alex Russell, googler on web platform AK: Adam Klein, V8 at google SM: Scott Miles, work on polymer team TS: Taylor Savage, google SA: Steve Orvell google [polymer team people listening on the phone - we don't let them speak] dfreedm here in irc as well State of consensus and contention DG: Most vendors aside from Google have explained their current position... ... would like to figure out how important contentions are - blocker, useful to have, v1 or v2 or... misko https://github.com/w3c/webcomponents/wiki/Shadow-DOM:-Contentious-Bits - https://github.com/w3c/webcomponents/wiki/Shadow-DOM:-Contentious-Bits The collected points of disagreement... Multiple shadow roots per element MJS: Apple thinks this should be removed and replaced with something like the "named slots" proposal. Strongly think this is the case for v1 - better to replace it with something useful or subclassing won't be useful. ... there is a time trade off to replacing it AvK: Mozilla probably don't care strongly for v1 - we would like some solution, and the Apple thing might (or not) work for us... DG: So there is an alternative, which is not the same as "let's drop what we have" TL: For multiple shadow roots, should be removed in v1. You can get a lot done just with a single shadow. I like Apple's proposal simplifying the way content is distributed. Seems
Re: Minutes of Shadow DOM meeting
* cha...@yandex-team.ru wrote: We'll post a summary - there is most of one at https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1hnCoaJTXkfSSHD5spISJ76nqbDcOVNMamgByiz3QWLA/edit?pli=1#gid=0 Perhaps a document in some kind of open format would be a better medium than some proprietary application with unclear stability policies that does not work in my browser. The minutes (thanks to Taylor Savage fora great scribing job) are at http://www.w3.org/2015/04/25-webapps-minutes.html That contains just a few lines. Looks like the decade-old UTC day change bug is still plaguing the minutes generation tool. -- Björn Höhrmann · mailto:bjo...@hoehrmann.de · http://bjoern.hoehrmann.de D-10243 Berlin · PGP Pub. KeyID: 0xA4357E78 · http://www.bjoernsworld.de
Re: Minutes of Shadow DOM meeting
On 4/25/15 8:45 AM, Bjoern Hoehrmann wrote: * cha...@yandex-team.ru wrote: http://www.w3.org/2015/04/25-webapps-minutes.html See http://www.w3.org/2015/04/24-webapps-minutes.html. That contains just a few lines. Looks like the decade-old UTC day change bug is still plaguing the minutes generation tool.
Re: Minutes of Shadow DOM meeting
On 4/25/15 8:45 AM, Bjoern Hoehrmann wrote: * cha...@yandex-team.ru wrote: We'll post a summary - there is most of one at https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1hnCoaJTXkfSSHD5spISJ76nqbDcOVNMamgByiz3QWLA/edit?pli=1#gid=0 Perhaps a document in some kind of open format would be a better medium than some proprietary application with unclear stability policies that does not work in my browser. I just copied the data in the above document to the meeting's agenda page: https://www.w3.org/wiki/Webapps/WebComponentsApril2015Meeting#Summary_of_Contentious_Bits
Minutes of Shadow DOM meeting
Hi folks, we're just cleaning up now. We'll post a summary - there is most of one at https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1hnCoaJTXkfSSHD5spISJ76nqbDcOVNMamgByiz3QWLA/edit?pli=1#gid=0 The minutes (thanks to Taylor Savage fora great scribing job) are at http://www.w3.org/2015/04/25-webapps-minutes.html cheers Chaals -- Charles McCathie Nevile - web standards - CTO Office, Yandex cha...@yandex-team.ru - - - Find more at http://yandex.com