Re: [WebTiming] HTMLElement timing

2010-02-19 Thread Zhiheng Wang
. thanks, Zhiheng -Olli -- View this message in context: http://old.nabble.com/-WebTiming--HTMLElement-timing-tp27335161p27427432.html Sent from the w3.org - public-webapps mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Re: [WebTiming] HTMLElement timing

2010-02-18 Thread Jonas Sicking
On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 10:36 PM, James Robinson jam...@google.com wrote: * What precisely does 'parse' time mean for each element?  For example, on a script tag does parse time include parsing the script itself, or executing it as well?  What about for JS engines that do not distinguish

Re: [WebTiming] HTMLElement timing

2010-02-17 Thread Zhiheng Wang
if these pages are all in a direction chain. From the user's perspective, the waiting begins with the fetching of the first page in a redirection chain. thanks, Zhiheng -Olli -- View this message in context: http://old.nabble.com/-WebTiming--HTMLElement-timing

Re: [WebTiming] HTMLElement timing

2010-02-17 Thread James Robinson
. thanks, Zhiheng -Olli -- View this message in context: http://old.nabble.com/-WebTiming--HTMLElement-timing-tp27335161p27427432.html Sent from the w3.org - public-webapps mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Re: [WebTiming] HTMLElement timing

2010-02-04 Thread Lenny Rachitsky
I¹d like to jump in here and address this point: ³While I agree that timing information is important, I don't think it's going to be so commonly used that we need to add convenience features for it. Adding a few event listeners at the top of the document does not seem like a big burden.² I work

Re: [WebTiming] HTMLElement timing

2010-02-04 Thread lenny.rachitsky
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Re: [WebTiming] HTMLElement timing

2010-02-04 Thread Lenny Rachitsky
I¹d like to jump in here and address this point: ³While I agree that timing information is important, I don't think it's going to be so commonly used that we need to add convenience features for it. Adding a few event listeners at the top of the document does not seem like a big burden.² I work

Re: [WebTiming] HTMLElement timing

2010-02-04 Thread Jonas Sicking
On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 5:00 PM, Lenny Rachitsky lenny.rachit...@webmetrics.com wrote: I’d like to jump in here and address this point: “While I agree that timing information is important, I don't think it's going to be so commonly used that we need to add convenience features for it. Adding a

Re: [WebTiming] HTMLElement timing

2010-02-04 Thread Lenny Rachitsky
Understood. I used to run the engineering department here at Webmetrics so I understand the cost/benefit decisions that need to be made with any new functionality. However coming from the web performance industry anything that could help website owners understand and track their performance better

Re: [WebTiming] HTMLElement timing

2010-02-03 Thread Zhiheng Wang
Hi, James, Good point indeed. Some evaluation has been done here with camstudio. Using paint event helps in many cases but, for the reasons you mentioned, it's not yet reliable enough. So if it's worthwhile to do it in this spec is indeed debatable. A related question and one that many of

Re: [WebTiming] HTMLElement timing

2010-02-03 Thread Zhiheng Wang
Somehow Lenny's comments got lost from the list. On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 10:57 AM, Lenny Rachitsky lenny.rachit...@webmetrics.com wrote: I’d like to jump in here and address this point: “While I agree that timing information is important, I don't think it's going to be so commonly used

Re: [WebTiming] HTMLElement timing

2010-02-02 Thread Zhiheng Wang
Hi, Olli, On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 6:15 AM, Olli Pettay olli.pet...@helsinki.fiwrote: On 1/27/10 9:39 AM, Zhiheng Wang wrote: Folks, Thanks to the much feedback from various developers, the WebTiming specs has undergone some major revision. Timing info has now been extended to page

Re: [WebTiming] HTMLElement timing

2010-02-02 Thread Zhiheng Wang
Jonas, On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 12:50 AM, Jonas Sicking jo...@sicking.cc wrote: On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 10:53 PM, Zhiheng Wang zhihe...@google.com wrote: Also, what is the use case for the Ticks interface? The Ticks interface is a convenient way to store time measurements and

Re: [WebTiming] HTMLElement timing

2010-02-02 Thread James Robinson
On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 10:36 AM, Zhiheng Wang zhihe...@google.com wrote: Hi, Olli, On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 6:15 AM, Olli Pettay olli.pet...@helsinki.fiwrote: On 1/27/10 9:39 AM, Zhiheng Wang wrote: Folks, Thanks to the much feedback from various developers, the WebTiming specs has

Re: [WebTiming] HTMLElement timing

2010-01-29 Thread Jonas Sicking
On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 10:53 PM, Zhiheng Wang zhihe...@google.com wrote: Also, what is the use case for the Ticks interface?    The Ticks interface is a convenient way to store time measurements and retrieve it later on a page. I will have some example there. Why not just do:

Re: [WebTiming] HTMLElement timing

2010-01-29 Thread Olli Pettay
On 1/27/10 9:39 AM, Zhiheng Wang wrote: Folks, Thanks to the much feedback from various developers, the WebTiming specs has undergone some major revision. Timing info has now been extended to page elements and a couple more interesting timing data points are added. The draft is up on

Re: [WebTiming] HTMLElement timing

2010-01-28 Thread Zhiheng Wang
On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 5:57 PM, Jonas Sicking jo...@sicking.cc wrote: On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 5:30 PM, Zhiheng Wang zhihe...@google.com wrote: Hi, Jonas, Thanks for the comments. pls find comments inline. On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 12:12 AM, Jonas Sicking jo...@sicking.cc wrote: On

Re: [WebTiming] HTMLElement timing

2010-01-27 Thread Jonas Sicking
On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 11:39 PM, Zhiheng Wang zhihe...@google.com wrote: Folks,      Thanks to the much feedback from various developers, the WebTiming specs has undergone some major revision. Timing info has now been extended to page elements and a couple more interesting timing data

Re: [WebTiming] HTMLElement timing

2010-01-27 Thread Zhiheng Wang
Hi, Jonas, Thanks for the comments. pls find comments inline. On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 12:12 AM, Jonas Sicking jo...@sicking.cc wrote: On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 11:39 PM, Zhiheng Wang zhihe...@google.com wrote: Folks, Thanks to the much feedback from various developers, the WebTiming

Re: [WebTiming] HTMLElement timing

2010-01-27 Thread Jonas Sicking
On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 5:30 PM, Zhiheng Wang zhihe...@google.com wrote: Hi, Jonas,    Thanks for the comments. pls find comments inline. On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 12:12 AM, Jonas Sicking jo...@sicking.cc wrote: On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 11:39 PM, Zhiheng Wang zhihe...@google.com wrote: Folks,

Re: [WebTiming] HTMLElement timing

2010-01-27 Thread Jonas Sicking
On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 5:57 PM, Jonas Sicking jo...@sicking.cc wrote: On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 5:30 PM, Zhiheng Wang zhihe...@google.com wrote: Hi, Jonas,    Thanks for the comments. pls find comments inline. On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 12:12 AM, Jonas Sicking jo...@sicking.cc wrote: On Tue, Jan

[WebTiming] HTMLElement timing

2010-01-26 Thread Zhiheng Wang
Folks, Thanks to the much feedback from various developers, the WebTiming specs has undergone some major revision. Timing info has now been extended to page elements and a couple more interesting timing data points are added. The draft is up on http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/WebTiming/