Re: CfC: publish WG Note of UI Events; deadline November 14

2015-03-12 Thread Arthur Barstow

Hi All,

This CfC (original thread is [1]) is now moving forward and on March 17 
there will be two publications:


1. /UI Events (Keyboard Extension)/; W3C Working Group Note; (draft is 
http://jay.w3.org/~plehegar/uievents-ext.html).


2. /UI Events Specification (formerly DOM Level 3 Events)/; W3C Working 
Draft; (draft is http://jay.w3.org/~plehegar/uievents.html).


The following redirects will also be made:

1. http://www.w3.org/TR/DOM-Level-3-Events/ will redirect to 
http://www.w3.org/TR/uievents/.


2. http://www.w3.org/TR/uievents/ will redirect to 
http://www.w3.org/TR/2015/WD-uievents-20150317/.


-Regards, ArtB

[1] https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-dom/2014OctDec/0039.html


On 11/7/14 10:28 AM, Arthur Barstow wrote:
During WebApps' October 27 meeting, the participants agreed to stop 
work on the UI Events spec and to publish it as a WG Note (see 
[Mins]). As such, this is a formal Call for Consensus (CfC) to:


a) Stop work on this spec

b) Publish a gutted WG Note of the spec; see [Draft-Note]

c) Gut the ED (this will be done if/when this CfC passes)

d) Prefix the spec's [Bugs] with HISTORICAL and turn off creating 
new bugs


e) Travis will move all bugs that are relevant to D3E to the D3E bug 
component


Note Action-734 resulted in a discussion about the rationale for this 
proposal ([Discuss]).


If anyone has comments or concerns about this CfC, please reply by 
November 14 at the latest. Positive response is preferred and 
encouraged and silence will be considered as agreement with the 
proposal. In the absence of any non-resolvable issues, I will see make 
sure the Note is published.


-Thanks, AB

[Mins] http://www.w3.org/2014/10/27-webapps-minutes.html#item05
[Draft-Note] https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/d4e/raw-file/default/tr.html
[Bugs] 
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?product=WebAppsWGcomponent=UI%20Eventsresolution=---
[Discuss] 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2014OctDec/0262.html





Re: CfC: publish WG Note of UI Events; deadline November 14

2014-12-10 Thread Arthur Barstow

On 11/21/14 8:43 AM, Philippe Le Hegaret wrote:

On Wed, 2014-11-19 at 09:44 -0500, Arthur Barstow wrote:

On 11/19/14 9:35 AM, Anne van Kesteren wrote:

On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 3:20 PM, Arthur Barstow art.bars...@gmail.com wrote:

Although there appears to be agreement that work on the [uievents] spec
should stop, the various replies raise sufficient questions that I consider
this CfC (as written) as failed.

Travis, Gary - would you please make a specific proposal for these two
specs? In particular, what is the title and shortname for each document, and
which spec/shortname becomes the WG Note?

After we have agreed on a way forward, I'll start a new CfC.

(I believe the Principle of Least Surprise here means considering specs that
currently reference [uievents] or [DOM-Level-3-Events]. F.ex., I suppose a
document titled UI Events with a shortname of DOM-Level-3-Events could be
a bit confusing to some, although strictly speaking could be done.)

My proposal would be to update UI Events with the latest editor's
draft of DOM Level 3 Events (title renamed, of course) and have the
DOM Level 3 Events URL redirect to UI Events. That would communicate
clearly what happened.

Yves, Philippe - can Anne's proposal be done?

I'm not aware of any reason that would prevent us from doing so.


Hi Travis, Gary, Philippe,

Since Anne's proposal hasn't been implemented, what exactly is the plan 
for these two specs?


There is also a related proposal DOM L3 Events Input Events Work to the 
Editing Task Force by Ben [Ben] and followup by Gary [Gary].


What do you recommend here, i.e., Who is going to do What and When?

-Thanks, ArtB

[Ben] 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2014OctDec/0575.html
[Gary] 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2014OctDec/0576.html









Re: CfC: publish WG Note of UI Events; deadline November 14

2014-12-10 Thread Philippe Le Hegaret
On Wed, 2014-12-10 at 10:22 -0500, Arthur Barstow wrote:
 Hi Travis, Gary, Philippe,
 
 Since Anne's proposal hasn't been implemented, what exactly is the plan 
 for these two specs?
 
 There is also a related proposal DOM L3 Events Input Events Work to the 
 Editing Task Force by Ben [Ben] and followup by Gary [Gary].
 
 What do you recommend here, i.e., Who is going to do What and When?

I sent a few questions to the editors on this front but didn't receive
responses. I'd like some guidances here before publishing.

Philippe





Re: CfC: publish WG Note of UI Events; deadline November 14

2014-11-21 Thread Philippe Le Hegaret
On Wed, 2014-11-19 at 09:44 -0500, Arthur Barstow wrote:
 On 11/19/14 9:35 AM, Anne van Kesteren wrote:
  On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 3:20 PM, Arthur Barstow art.bars...@gmail.com 
  wrote:
  Although there appears to be agreement that work on the [uievents] spec
  should stop, the various replies raise sufficient questions that I consider
  this CfC (as written) as failed.
 
  Travis, Gary - would you please make a specific proposal for these two
  specs? In particular, what is the title and shortname for each document, 
  and
  which spec/shortname becomes the WG Note?
 
  After we have agreed on a way forward, I'll start a new CfC.
 
  (I believe the Principle of Least Surprise here means considering specs 
  that
  currently reference [uievents] or [DOM-Level-3-Events]. F.ex., I suppose a
  document titled UI Events with a shortname of DOM-Level-3-Events could be
  a bit confusing to some, although strictly speaking could be done.)
  My proposal would be to update UI Events with the latest editor's
  draft of DOM Level 3 Events (title renamed, of course) and have the
  DOM Level 3 Events URL redirect to UI Events. That would communicate
  clearly what happened.
 
 Yves, Philippe - can Anne's proposal be done?

I'm not aware of any reason that would prevent us from doing so.

Philippe





Re: CfC: publish WG Note of UI Events; deadline November 14

2014-11-19 Thread Arthur Barstow

On 11/7/14 10:28 AM, Arthur Barstow wrote:
During WebApps' October 27 meeting, the participants agreed to stop 
work on the UI Events spec and to publish it as a WG Note (see 
[Mins]). As such, this is a formal Call for Consensus (CfC) to:


a) Stop work on this spec

b) Publish a gutted WG Note of the spec; see [Draft-Note]

c) Gut the ED (this will be done if/when this CfC passes)

d) Prefix the spec's [Bugs] with HISTORICAL and turn off creating 
new bugs


e) Travis will move all bugs that are relevant to D3E to the D3E bug 
component



Although there appears to be agreement that work on the [uievents] spec 
should stop, the various replies raise sufficient questions that I 
consider this CfC (as written) as failed.


Travis, Gary - would you please make a specific proposal for these two 
specs? In particular, what is the title and shortname for each document, 
and which spec/shortname becomes the WG Note?


After we have agreed on a way forward, I'll start a new CfC.

(I believe the Principle of Least Surprise here means considering specs 
that currently reference [uievents] or [DOM-Level-3-Events]. F.ex., I 
suppose a document titled UI Events with a shortname of 
DOM-Level-3-Events could be a bit confusing to some, although strictly 
speaking could be done.)


-Thanks, AB

[uievents] http://www.w3.org/TR/uievents/
[DOM-Level-3-Events] http://www.w3.org/TR/DOM-Level-3-Events/



[Mins] http://www.w3.org/2014/10/27-webapps-minutes.html#item05
[Draft-Note] https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/d4e/raw-file/default/tr.html
[Bugs] 
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?product=WebAppsWGcomponent=UI%20Eventsresolution=---
[Discuss] 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2014OctDec/0262.html





Re: CfC: publish WG Note of UI Events; deadline November 14

2014-11-19 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 3:20 PM, Arthur Barstow art.bars...@gmail.com wrote:
 Although there appears to be agreement that work on the [uievents] spec
 should stop, the various replies raise sufficient questions that I consider
 this CfC (as written) as failed.

 Travis, Gary - would you please make a specific proposal for these two
 specs? In particular, what is the title and shortname for each document, and
 which spec/shortname becomes the WG Note?

 After we have agreed on a way forward, I'll start a new CfC.

 (I believe the Principle of Least Surprise here means considering specs that
 currently reference [uievents] or [DOM-Level-3-Events]. F.ex., I suppose a
 document titled UI Events with a shortname of DOM-Level-3-Events could be
 a bit confusing to some, although strictly speaking could be done.)

My proposal would be to update UI Events with the latest editor's
draft of DOM Level 3 Events (title renamed, of course) and have the
DOM Level 3 Events URL redirect to UI Events. That would communicate
clearly what happened.


-- 
https://annevankesteren.nl/



Re: CfC: publish WG Note of UI Events; deadline November 14

2014-11-19 Thread Arthur Barstow

On 11/19/14 9:35 AM, Anne van Kesteren wrote:

On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 3:20 PM, Arthur Barstow art.bars...@gmail.com wrote:

Although there appears to be agreement that work on the [uievents] spec
should stop, the various replies raise sufficient questions that I consider
this CfC (as written) as failed.

Travis, Gary - would you please make a specific proposal for these two
specs? In particular, what is the title and shortname for each document, and
which spec/shortname becomes the WG Note?

After we have agreed on a way forward, I'll start a new CfC.

(I believe the Principle of Least Surprise here means considering specs that
currently reference [uievents] or [DOM-Level-3-Events]. F.ex., I suppose a
document titled UI Events with a shortname of DOM-Level-3-Events could be
a bit confusing to some, although strictly speaking could be done.)

My proposal would be to update UI Events with the latest editor's
draft of DOM Level 3 Events (title renamed, of course) and have the
DOM Level 3 Events URL redirect to UI Events. That would communicate
clearly what happened.


Yves, Philippe - can Anne's proposal be done?





Re: CfC: publish WG Note of UI Events; deadline November 14

2014-11-19 Thread Pradeep Kumar
+1
On 19-Nov-2014 8:07 pm, Anne van Kesteren ann...@annevk.nl wrote:

 On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 3:20 PM, Arthur Barstow art.bars...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  Although there appears to be agreement that work on the [uievents] spec
  should stop, the various replies raise sufficient questions that I
 consider
  this CfC (as written) as failed.
 
  Travis, Gary - would you please make a specific proposal for these two
  specs? In particular, what is the title and shortname for each document,
 and
  which spec/shortname becomes the WG Note?
 
  After we have agreed on a way forward, I'll start a new CfC.
 
  (I believe the Principle of Least Surprise here means considering specs
 that
  currently reference [uievents] or [DOM-Level-3-Events]. F.ex., I suppose
 a
  document titled UI Events with a shortname of DOM-Level-3-Events could
 be
  a bit confusing to some, although strictly speaking could be done.)

 My proposal would be to update UI Events with the latest editor's
 draft of DOM Level 3 Events (title renamed, of course) and have the
 DOM Level 3 Events URL redirect to UI Events. That would communicate
 clearly what happened.


 --
 https://annevankesteren.nl/




Re: CfC: publish WG Note of UI Events; deadline November 14

2014-11-14 Thread Кошмарчик
On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 7:36 AM, Anne van Kesteren ann...@annevk.nl wrote:

 On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 4:28 PM, Arthur Barstow art.bars...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  If anyone has comments or concerns about this CfC, please reply by
 November
  14 at the latest.

 My concern is that we previously agreed that UI Events would be a much
 more suitable name for the contents of DOM Level 3 Events.


I agree. UI Events is a much more descriptive name for the content.

My primary concern is that we (specifically, I) have been telling people
that UI Events is not the same as D3E. If we change this, then I'll have to
have those conversations all over again, but reversed. ^_^

But we
 would keep using DOM Level 3 Events because it would be done quickly
 and then we'd move on to UI Events. As we now know we did not finish
 DOM Level 3 Events quickly.


FWIW, we pushed to have it done quickly and it was delayed:
(1) once because the spec was a step backward from DOM2 in some regards and
that needed to be fixed,
(2) again because there was feedback that style and presentation should be
updated to match more recent specs.

#2 is when the WG effectively decided that cleaning up the presentation was
more important than releasing it quickly.

So I would like us to abandon that name
 and settle on UI Events.


SGTM.

With regards to the current contents of UI Events, I assume that publishing
a gutted WD Note is meant simply to establish a historical record of what
was worked on before the content is deleted?  When we were focusing on
completing the D3E spec quickly, this is where we sent items that we felt
should be part of D3E, but would take too much time to finalize. We'll want
to reconsider some of these items for inclusion back in D3E (er... I mean
UI Events).

-Gary


Re: CfC: publish WG Note of UI Events; deadline November 14

2014-11-09 Thread Arthur Barstow

On 11/7/14 10:36 AM, Anne van Kesteren wrote:

On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 4:28 PM, Arthur Barstow art.bars...@gmail.com wrote:

If anyone has comments or concerns about this CfC, please reply by November
14 at the latest.

My concern is that we previously agreed that UI Events would be a much
more suitable name for the contents of DOM Level 3 Events.


Please provide a link to that agreement.


But we would keep using DOM Level 3 Events because it would be done quickly
and then we'd move on to UI Events. As we now know we did not finish
DOM Level 3 Events quickly. So I would like us to abandon that name
and settle on UI Events.


Travis, Gary - what are your thoughts on Anne's proposal?

-Thanks, AB





CfC: publish WG Note of UI Events; deadline November 14

2014-11-07 Thread Arthur Barstow
During WebApps' October 27 meeting, the participants agreed to stop work 
on the UI Events spec and to publish it as a WG Note (see [Mins]). As 
such, this is a formal Call for Consensus (CfC) to:


a) Stop work on this spec

b) Publish a gutted WG Note of the spec; see [Draft-Note]

c) Gut the ED (this will be done if/when this CfC passes)

d) Prefix the spec's [Bugs] with HISTORICAL and turn off creating new bugs

e) Travis will move all bugs that are relevant to D3E to the D3E bug 
component


Note Action-734 resulted in a discussion about the rationale for this 
proposal ([Discuss]).


If anyone has comments or concerns about this CfC, please reply by 
November 14 at the latest. Positive response is preferred and encouraged 
and silence will be considered as agreement with the proposal. In the 
absence of any non-resolvable issues, I will see make sure the Note is 
published.


-Thanks, AB

[Mins] http://www.w3.org/2014/10/27-webapps-minutes.html#item05
[Draft-Note] https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/d4e/raw-file/default/tr.html
[Bugs] 
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?product=WebAppsWGcomponent=UI%20Eventsresolution=---
[Discuss] 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2014OctDec/0262.html




Re: CfC: publish WG Note of UI Events; deadline November 14

2014-11-07 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 4:28 PM, Arthur Barstow art.bars...@gmail.com wrote:
 If anyone has comments or concerns about this CfC, please reply by November
 14 at the latest.

My concern is that we previously agreed that UI Events would be a much
more suitable name for the contents of DOM Level 3 Events. But we
would keep using DOM Level 3 Events because it would be done quickly
and then we'd move on to UI Events. As we now know we did not finish
DOM Level 3 Events quickly. So I would like us to abandon that name
and settle on UI Events.


-- 
https://annevankesteren.nl/



RE: CfC: publish WG Note of UI Events; deadline November 14

2014-11-07 Thread Travis Leithead
To clarify: are you asking to rename DOM Level 3 Events to UI Events? 

Perhaps a fresh name would help get that spec done faster :)

Gary what do you think?

-Original Message-
From: annevankeste...@gmail.com [mailto:annevankeste...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of 
Anne van Kesteren
Sent: Friday, November 7, 2014 7:36 AM
To: Arthur Barstow
Cc: public-webapps; www-...@w3.org
Subject: Re: CfC: publish WG Note of UI Events; deadline November 14

On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 4:28 PM, Arthur Barstow art.bars...@gmail.com wrote:
 If anyone has comments or concerns about this CfC, please reply by 
 November
 14 at the latest.

My concern is that we previously agreed that UI Events would be a much more 
suitable name for the contents of DOM Level 3 Events. But we would keep using 
DOM Level 3 Events because it would be done quickly and then we'd move on to UI 
Events. As we now know we did not finish DOM Level 3 Events quickly. So I would 
like us to abandon that name and settle on UI Events.


--
https://annevankesteren.nl/