Re: Disallowing mutation events in shadow DOM

2012-02-23 Thread Brian Kardell 
Yeah that was pretty much my feeling but always worth checking.
On Feb 23, 2012 7:13 PM, "Olli Pettay"  wrote:
>
> On 02/24/2012 02:10 AM, Brian Kardell wrote:
>>
>> Just to be clear on this:  what is the status of mutation observers?
>
>
> They are in DOM 4. The API may still change a bit, but
> there is already one implementation, and another one close to
> ready.
>
>
>
>> If
>> there any chance shadow dom beats mutation observers to
>> standardization?
>
> AFAIK, shadow DOM is quite far from being stable.
>
>
>>  I don't think so, but just checking...  If that turned
>> out to be the case it could be crippling shadow dom until such a time..
>>
>> Brian
>>
>> On Feb 23, 2012 6:46 PM, "Dimitri Glazkov" > > wrote:
>>
>>Sounds good. Filed a bug here:
>>https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=16096
>>
>>:DG<
>>
>>On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 3:38 PM, Ryosuke Niwa >> wrote:
>> > Can we disallow mutation events inside shadow DOM?
>> >
>> > There is no legacy content that depends on mutation events API
>>inside shadow
>> > DOM, and we have a nice spec & implementation of new mutation
>>observer API
>> > already.
>> >
>> > FYI, https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=79278
>> >
>> > Best,
>> > Ryosuke Niwa
>> > Software Engineer
>> > Google Inc.
>> >
>> >
>>
>

Re: Disallowing mutation events in shadow DOM

2012-02-23 Thread Ryosuke Niwa 
On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 4:10 PM, Brian Kardell  wrote:

> Just to be clear on this:  what is the status of mutation observers?  If
> there any chance shadow dom beats mutation observers to standardization?  I
> don't think so, but just checking...  If that turned out to be the case it
> could be crippling shadow dom until such a time..
>
I second Olli's opinion. Also, I don't think we're wiling to ship shadow
DOM with mutation events enabled regardless. At least, I'll do everything I
can to prevent that from happening.

- Ryosuke

Re: Disallowing mutation events in shadow DOM

2012-02-23 Thread Olli Pettay 

On 02/24/2012 02:10 AM, Brian Kardell wrote:

Just to be clear on this:  what is the status of mutation observers?


They are in DOM 4. The API may still change a bit, but
there is already one implementation, and another one close to
ready.



If
there any chance shadow dom beats mutation observers to
standardization?

AFAIK, shadow DOM is quite far from being stable.



 I don't think so, but just checking...  If that turned
out to be the case it could be crippling shadow dom until such a time..

Brian

On Feb 23, 2012 6:46 PM, "Dimitri Glazkov" mailto:dglaz...@chromium.org>> wrote:

Sounds good. Filed a bug here:
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=16096

:DG<

On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 3:38 PM, Ryosuke Niwa mailto:rn...@webkit.org>> wrote:
 > Can we disallow mutation events inside shadow DOM?
 >
 > There is no legacy content that depends on mutation events API
inside shadow
 > DOM, and we have a nice spec & implementation of new mutation
observer API
 > already.
 >
 > FYI, https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=79278
 >
 > Best,
 > Ryosuke Niwa
 > Software Engineer
 > Google Inc.
 >
 >

Re: Disallowing mutation events in shadow DOM

2012-02-23 Thread Brian Kardell 
Just to be clear on this:  what is the status of mutation observers?  If
there any chance shadow dom beats mutation observers to standardization?  I
don't think so, but just checking...  If that turned out to be the case it
could be crippling shadow dom until such a time..

Brian
On Feb 23, 2012 6:46 PM, "Dimitri Glazkov"  wrote:

> Sounds good. Filed a bug here:
> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=16096
>
> :DG<
>
> On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 3:38 PM, Ryosuke Niwa  wrote:
> > Can we disallow mutation events inside shadow DOM?
> >
> > There is no legacy content that depends on mutation events API inside
> shadow
> > DOM, and we have a nice spec & implementation of new mutation observer
> API
> > already.
> >
> > FYI, https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=79278
> >
> > Best,
> > Ryosuke Niwa
> > Software Engineer
> > Google Inc.
> >
> >
>
>

Re: Disallowing mutation events in shadow DOM

2012-02-23 Thread Dimitri Glazkov 
Sounds good. Filed a bug here:
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=16096

:DG<

On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 3:38 PM, Ryosuke Niwa  wrote:
> Can we disallow mutation events inside shadow DOM?
>
> There is no legacy content that depends on mutation events API inside shadow
> DOM, and we have a nice spec & implementation of new mutation observer API
> already.
>
> FYI, https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=79278
>
> Best,
> Ryosuke Niwa
> Software Engineer
> Google Inc.
>
>

Re: Disallowing mutation events in shadow DOM

2012-02-23 Thread Olli Pettay 

On 02/24/2012 01:38 AM, Ryosuke Niwa wrote:

Can we disallow mutation events inside shadow DOM?

Sounds good to me.
Whatever shadow dom spec will be implemented, mutation events shouldn't
fire there. Mutation observers should work.


-Olli





There is no legacy content that depends on mutation events API inside
shadow DOM, and we have a nice spec & implementation of new mutation
observer API already.

FYI, https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=79278

Best,
Ryosuke Niwa
Software Engineer
Google Inc.

Disallowing mutation events in shadow DOM

2012-02-23 Thread Ryosuke Niwa 
Can we disallow mutation events inside shadow DOM?

There is no legacy content that depends on mutation events API inside
shadow DOM, and we have a nice spec & implementation of new mutation
observer API already.

FYI, https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=79278

Best,
Ryosuke Niwa
Software Engineer
Google Inc.