Re: HTML5's Offline-first Council of Trent

2016-03-20 Thread Richard Maher
Nick, while we're waiting for Léonie to lecture you on participation-criteria, etiquette, and social competence, let me call on the late, great, Rodney Dangerfield to proxy my response: - *Judge Smails*: You have worn out your welcome, sir! *Czervik*: Is that so? Who made you Pope of this dump?

Re: HTML5's Offline-first Council of Trent

2016-03-20 Thread Nick Dugger
Listen, you may not be here to make friends, but if you want to incite change, you might try playing nicely. If you just want results, you'll have greater success without your sarcasm and superiority complex. Fresh start? If you make a good case, without calling the w3c a mafia, people might

Re: HTML5's Offline-first Council of Trent

2016-03-20 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
On 18/03/2016 03:52, Richard Maher wrote: I've found someone who has more credibility and form here and is willing to take the idea forward. Let's hope that someone also understands what it means to make a technical argument, without resorting to some House of Commons Tory Obxbridge debating

Re: HTML5's Offline-first Council of Trent

2016-03-19 Thread Nick Dugger
> Nick, while we're waiting for Léonie to lecture you on participation-criteria, etiquette, and social competence [...] That was actually my very first message on any of these mailing lists, so it was manually approved by a moderator. I'm very confused about how you think I broke etiquette and

Re: HTML5's Offline-first Council of Trent

2016-03-19 Thread Anders Rundgren
On 2016-03-17 07:12, Richard Maher wrote: An even more powerful (but also ignored possibility) would be COMBINING the power of the Web and App worlds instead of fighting religious wars ("the Web is great"), where there are no winners, only lost opportunities. That's what plugins were for

Re: HTML5's Offline-first Council of Trent

2016-03-19 Thread Richard Maher
Hi Patrick (Congratulations on today) Technical Point follows: - On a merit-based resource allocation basis, the two most fundamental, essential, and absolutely necessary HTML5 Web-App feature enhancements are: - 1) Background GPS device/user tracking support 2) Push API 1:M broadcast capability

Re: HTML5's Offline-first Council of Trent

2016-03-19 Thread Michiel Bijl
> On 18 Mar 2016, at 04:52, Richard Maher wrote: > > Nick, while we're waiting for Léonie to lecture you on > participation-criteria, etiquette, and social competence, let me call on the > late, great, Rodney Dangerfield to proxy my response: - Could you please

Re: HTML5's Offline-first Council of Trent

2016-03-18 Thread Chaals McCathie Nevile
The chairs and various individuals requested that Mr Maher use a tone acceptable in this group. This email once again fails to meet the minimum standards of politeness and constructive behaviour for this group. Mr Maher has been removed from the mailing list. for the chairs chaals On

Re: HTML5's Offline-first Council of Trent

2016-03-18 Thread Richard Maher
> An even more powerful (but also ignored possibility) would be COMBINING the power of the Web and App worlds instead of fighting religious wars ("the Web is great"), where there are no winners, only lost opportunities. That's what plugins were for wan't it? And I still cry every night over the

Re: HTML5's Offline-first Council of Trent

2016-03-18 Thread Anders Rundgren
On 2016-03-17 06:00, Richard Maher wrote: Hi Patrick (Congratulations on today) Technical Point follows: - On a merit-based resource allocation basis, the two most fundamental, essential, > and absolutely necessary HTML5 Web-App feature enhancements are: - 1) Background GPS device/user

Re: HTML5's Offline-first Council of Trent

2016-03-16 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
On 16/03/2016 04:46, Richard Maher wrote: ... Anyway, if the decorum police will agree to stay their truncheons for a moment longer and indulge my use of satire, parody, and metaphor, in making an extremely valid technical point, ... Or you could just make your valid technical point, without

Re: HTML5's Offline-first Council of Trent

2016-03-16 Thread Jake Archibald
On Wed, 16 Mar 2016, 04:46 Richard Maher, wrote: > Look Jake, your entire argument is premised on the abstract notion that > “cached > data is often fine”. Allow me to respond with an equally unquantifiable > “EXCEPT WHEN IT BLOODY ISN’T”. > > ... > > *The Bud Fox

Re: HTML5's Offline-first Council of Trent

2016-03-15 Thread Richard Maher
Look Jake, your entire argument is premised on the abstract notion that “cached data is often fine”. Allow me to respond with an equally unquantifiable “EXCEPT WHEN IT BLOODY ISN’T”. I’ve been cutting code for over 30 years and am very familiar with scenarios where cached data is appropriate

RE: HTML5's Offline-first Council of Trent

2016-03-15 Thread Léonie Watson
ce.ca/kindergarten.htm From: Richard Maher [mailto:mahe...@googlemail.com] Sent: 15 March 2016 12:09 To: public-webapps WG <public-webapps@w3.org> Subject: HTML5's Offline-first Council of Trent

Re: HTML5's Offline-first Council of Trent

2016-03-15 Thread Jake Archibald
On Tue, 15 Mar 2016 at 12:14 Richard Maher wrote: > Your willingness, nay preference, to serve up stale, outdated data, is an > exercise in self-flagellation that only a fellow sicko could understand > This is not the intent in the pattern you quote (

HTML5's Offline-first Council of Trent

2016-03-15 Thread Richard Maher
I was going to post this as a reply to #844 (*) but this topic is a far greater and more of an all-encompassing issue than any single thread can serve. We (all HTML5 Web-App developers) desperately need a schism from the heretical forces