Re: IRC logging
* Gavin Sharp wrote: It does seem quite unreasonable. Why do you think it would be a serious breach of protocol? Which protocol? Making approval of logging contingent on the presence of the bot in channel seems rather arbitrary. Why not just say that approval for logging is implicit for anyone present in the channel, at any time? If the decision is made to log the channel, I don't see why it should matter whether it is logged directly to the web by the bot, or via someone else's private logs which are later published (e.g. if the bot is offline due to network issues). I wasn't giving my opinion, I was sharing my experience that, just be- cause some IRC channel has public logs, that everybody automatically approves of complementing the logs using private logs gathered when the normal logger was absent--and it is therefore wise to either ensure the continuous presence of it, or explicitly ask for participants approval when necessary. -- Björn Höhrmann · mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] · http://bjoern.hoehrmann.de Weinh. Str. 22 · Telefon: +49(0)621/4309674 · http://www.bjoernsworld.de 68309 Mannheim · PGP Pub. KeyID: 0xA4357E78 · http://www.websitedev.de/
Re: IRC logging
On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 4:34 PM, Bjoern Hoehrmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unfortunately no, but so far it's the best we've got available to us. It's always possible to fill in any gaps from other's personal IRC logs; it's quite simple for Krijn to insert them if someone sends them to him. Many would regard this as serious breach of protocol, unless the people whose conversations have been logged in the logger bot's absence approve of that explicitly for the occasion for various reasons; unreasonable as that may seem. It does seem quite unreasonable. Why do you think it would be a serious breach of protocol? Which protocol? Making approval of logging contingent on the presence of the bot in channel seems rather arbitrary. Why not just say that approval for logging is implicit for anyone present in the channel, at any time? If the decision is made to log the channel, I don't see why it should matter whether it is logged directly to the web by the bot, or via someone else's private logs which are later published (e.g. if the bot is offline due to network issues). Gavin
Re: IRC logging
* Lachlan Hunt wrote: There is currently no way to disable logging, as the need has never arisen in any of the other channels. We can note it as a feature request and it might get implemented one day. Contrary to what you suggest this has already been requested by several parties. There is of course never a need for that, since discussions you don't want to have logged are simply taken offline where neither channel participants nor log readers have access to them. Unfortunately no, but so far it's the best we've got available to us. It's always possible to fill in any gaps from other's personal IRC logs; it's quite simple for Krijn to insert them if someone sends them to him. Many would regard this as serious breach of protocol, unless the people whose conversations have been logged in the logger bot's absence approve of that explicitly for the occasion for various reasons; unreasonable as that may seem. -- Björn Höhrmann · mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] · http://bjoern.hoehrmann.de Weinh. Str. 22 · Telefon: +49(0)621/4309674 · http://www.bjoernsworld.de 68309 Mannheim · PGP Pub. KeyID: 0xA4357E78 · http://www.websitedev.de/
Re: IRC logging
Can anyone really ever mention things that are member confidential on IRC? We have no control over who else is in the room and possibly logging. / Jonas Charles McCathieNevile wrote: Hi Anne, this raises a couple of issues - the obvious one being how we deal with meetings which include information that is member-only, and also whether the logger has some facility for saying something that doesn't go into the record, as the W3C log bots do. Hopefully we will clear this up in the next couple of days - the chairs have been discussing this and agree that we want it to happen, but want to sort the issues. I'll follow up in private - with luck we can resolve this all by Monday, but please ask Krijn not to run a logger until we have sorted this out. cheers Chaals On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 12:27:55 +0300, Anne van Kesteren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Krijn Hoetmer volunteered for logging our IRC channel (#webapps on irc.w3.org:80) similarly to how he logs for the HTML WG, CSS WG, and WHATWG. (Also the public ARIA discussion channel I believe.) If you have any objections to this please say so before the weekend. If people find it more appropriate to decide this using a survey that would be fine with me as well, but since I don't expect opposition that seems like quite a bit of overhead. Kind regards,
Re: IRC logging
Doug Schepers wrote: Anne van Kesteren wrote (on 6/18/08 5:27 AM): Krijn Hoetmer volunteered for logging our IRC channel (#webapps on irc.w3.org:80) similarly to how he logs for the HTML WG, CSS WG, and WHATWG. (Also the public ARIA discussion channel I believe.) If you have any objections to this please say so before the weekend. Not to be a stick in the mud, but I would want people to know that the channel is logged (a message in the topic should suffice). Agreed. People should be be able to opt out in some way, such as prefixing comments with [off]. How is this accomplished with Krijn's logger? Is there some instruction page we can point people to? There is currently no way to disable logging, as the need has never arisen in any of the other channels. We can note it as a feature request and it might get implemented one day. However, it is also possible to ask Krijn to remove something if there's a really good reason for it. Also, I've noticed that Krijn's logger sometimes goes down... if people are relying on their comments being logged, this can be an unwelcome surprise. Is there a safeguard against that? Unfortunately no, but so far it's the best we've got available to us. It's always possible to fill in any gaps from other's personal IRC logs; it's quite simple for Krijn to insert them if someone sends them to him. For important things like telcons, RRSAgent is always brought into the channel anyway. -- Lachlan Hunt - Opera Software http://lachy.id.au/ http://www.opera.com/
