Re: ISSUE-122 (add mousewheel): Consider adding 'mousewheel' again [DOM3 Events]
On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 2:09 PM, Web Applications Working Group Issue Tracker sysbot+trac...@w3.org wrote: 'mousewheel' was later dropped based on feedback from implementers (Mozilla, Microsoft), who expressed a reluctance to implement 'mousewheel', and a lack of useful interoperability and concern that any change to improve interop would likely break a number of sites. However, the group may wish to consider adding it again, see: * http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-dom/2010JulSep/0103.html I'm generally concerned about events which don't work well in other media. One of the challenges we faced while developing the n900 was dealing with web sites which expected a fully functional two button mouse (the n900 is a touch screen with no buttons). We've had designs at time which provide for showing a mouse on part of the screen and enabling a user to tap on the left/right buttons etc., this is painful, expensive, awkward, and I don't have any studies showing users manage to make this work. Having to deal w/ the scroll wheel case makes this worse. Otoh, it /might/ be ok to specify onzoom and onscroll, most devices have /some/ support for these operations (in the n900 we have hardware volume keys which are sometimes used for zooming, and the user can user their finger or stylus to trigger a scroll operation). The same general behaviors could exist in e.g. the iPod Touch/iPhone/iPad -- none of which have a scroll wheel. Sorry for the lateness of my reply, I was on vacation last month and now have 100+ conversations in this group to catch up on (this includes not being able to respond to messages between LC Announcement and LC Deadline).
ISSUE-122 (add mousewheel): Consider adding 'mousewheel' again [DOM3 Events]
ISSUE-122 (add mousewheel): Consider adding 'mousewheel' again [DOM3 Events] http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/track/issues/122 Raised by: Doug Schepers On product: DOM3 Events Defining the 'mousewheel' event and interface was an early decision by the group, and this was specified along with the 'wheel' event and interface, and a detailed description of the interactions between the two. 'mousewheel' was later dropped based on feedback from implementers (Mozilla, Microsoft), who expressed a reluctance to implement 'mousewheel', and a lack of useful interoperability and concern that any change to improve interop would likely break a number of sites. However, the group may wish to consider adding it again, see: * http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-dom/2010JulSep/0103.html
Re: ISSUE-122 (add mousewheel): Consider adding 'mousewheel' again [DOM3 Events]
On Fri, 10 Sep 2010 13:09:38 +0200, Web Applications Working Group Issue Tracker sysbot+trac...@w3.org wrote: 'mousewheel' was later dropped based on feedback from implementers (Mozilla, Microsoft), who expressed a reluctance to implement 'mousewheel', and a lack of useful interoperability and concern that any change to improve interop would likely break a number of sites. However, the group may wish to consider adding it again, see: * http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-dom/2010JulSep/0103.html Are you saying Internet Explorer no longer supports the mousewheel event? The reason Opera / Chrome / Safari support the event is because Internet Explorer has it too and is needed for compatibility. Mozilla indeed does not have it, but they have DOMMouseScroll or some such. -- Anne van Kesteren http://annevankesteren.nl/
Re: ISSUE-122 (add mousewheel): Consider adding 'mousewheel' again [DOM3 Events]
Hi, Anne- Anne van Kesteren wrote (on 9/10/10 7:17 AM): On Fri, 10 Sep 2010 13:09:38 +0200, Web Applications Working Group Issue Tracker sysbot+trac...@w3.org wrote: 'mousewheel' was later dropped based on feedback from implementers (Mozilla, Microsoft), who expressed a reluctance to implement 'mousewheel', and a lack of useful interoperability and concern that any change to improve interop would likely break a number of sites. However, the group may wish to consider adding it again, see: * http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-dom/2010JulSep/0103.html Are you saying Internet Explorer no longer supports the mousewheel event? The reason Opera / Chrome / Safari support the event is because Internet Explorer has it too and is needed for compatibility. Mozilla indeed does not have it, but they have DOMMouseScroll or some such. I'm not making any claims about who will or won't support mousewheel. I'm just trying to state what I recall of the rationale for removing it from DOM3 Events. I don't feel terribly strongly about it either way, in any case. See also my reply on the thread on www-dom: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-dom/2010JulSep/0126.html Regards- -Doug Schepers W3C Team Contact, SVG and WebApps WGs
