Re: Pre-fetch rough draft

2012-11-08 Thread Julian Reschke
On 2012-11-08 17:31, Sergey Nikitin wrote: ... Maybe you never visited the page or your cookies are expired (or you logged out). And visiting any page (with all cookies/other headers) is irreversible action. It affects statistics, it could do something without your knowledge (marking message

Re: Pre-fetch rough draft

2012-11-08 Thread Sergey Nikitin
On 04.11.2012, at 2:10, Yehuda Katz wrote: > Does this overlap with SPDY preloaded? > I can't find anything about "SPDY preloaded". Is it server push and server hint http://www.chromium.org/spdy/link-headers-and-server-hint ? -- Sergey Nikitin

Re: Pre-fetch rough draft

2012-11-08 Thread Sergey Nikitin
On 06.11.2012, at 12:49, Julian Reschke wrote: > On 2012-11-06 09:28, Sergey Nikitin wrote: >> >> On 05.11.2012, at 16:28, Julian Reschke wrote: >> Yes. Exactly. It's not about offline apps, it's about reducing loading time. >>> >>> There's already the "prefetch" link relation

Re: Pre-fetch rough draft

2012-11-06 Thread Julian Reschke
On 2012-11-06 09:28, Sergey Nikitin wrote: On 05.11.2012, at 16:28, Julian Reschke wrote: Yes. Exactly. It's not about offline apps, it's about reducing loading time. There's already the "prefetch" link relation that you could use. You need at least two pages to start prefetching. Why

Re: Pre-fetch rough draft

2012-11-06 Thread Sergey Nikitin
On 05.11.2012, at 16:28, Julian Reschke wrote: >> >> Yes. Exactly. >> It's not about offline apps, it's about reducing loading time. > > There's already the "prefetch" link relation that you could use. > You need at least two pages to start prefetching. And you can't prefetch anything for the

Re: Pre-fetch rough draft

2012-11-05 Thread Charles McCathie Nevile
On Tue, 30 Oct 2012 10:22:47 +0100, Charles McCathieNevile wrote: Hi, I mentioned this and it's something we are working on. Basic idea: site provides list of resources that it uses and can be cached for general improvements on the whole site. (We're seeing load-time improvement from 50

Re: Pre-fetch rough draft

2012-11-05 Thread Charles McCathie Nevile
On Mon, 05 Nov 2012 13:28:43 +0100, Julian Reschke wrote: On 2012-11-02 11:16, n...@yandex-team.ru wrote: On Tue, 30 Oct 2012, Michael Nordman wrote The appcache is encumbered with guarantees about atomically updating a set of resources and then explicitly not hitting the network for the

Re: Pre-fetch rough draft

2012-11-05 Thread Julian Reschke
On 2012-11-02 11:16, n...@yandex-team.ru wrote: On Tue, 30 Oct 2012, Michael Nordman wrote The appcache is encumbered with guarantees about atomically updating a set of resources and then explicitly not hitting the network for them once up to date to ensure the site/app will function if the net

Re: Pre-fetch rough draft

2012-11-03 Thread Yehuda Katz
Does this overlap with SPDY preloaded? -- Yehuda Katz (ph) 718.877.1325 On Nov 3, 2012 3:35 PM, wrote: > > On Tue, 30 Oct 2012, Michael Nordman wrote > > > > The appcache is encumbered with guarantees about atomically updating a > set > > of resources and then explicitly not hitting the network

Re: Pre-fetch rough draft

2012-11-03 Thread nop
> On Tue, 30 Oct 2012, Michael Nordman wrote > > The appcache is encumbered with guarantees about atomically updating a set > of resources and then explicitly not hitting the network for them once up > to date to ensure the site/app will function if the network really is > complete gone. > > This

Re: Pre-fetch rough draft

2012-10-31 Thread Brady Eidson
On Oct 30, 2012, at 11:19 AM, Julian Reschke wrote: > On 2012-10-30 10:57, Anne van Kesteren wrote: >> On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 10:46 AM, Florian Bösch wrote: >>> The specification states that "Prefetch requests must not include >>> cookies." which is not an effective measure to prevent user prof

Re: Pre-fetch rough draft

2012-10-30 Thread Michael Nordman
The appcache is encumbered with guarantees about atomically updating a set of resources and then explicitly not hitting the network for them once up to date to ensure the site/app will function if the network really is complete gone. This gist of this prefetch list seems different. More of a hint

Re: Pre-fetch rough draft

2012-10-30 Thread Mounir Lamouri
On 10/30/2012 10:22 AM, Charles McCathieNevile wrote: > Hi, > > I mentioned this and it's somethign we are working on. > > Basic idea: site provides list of resources that it uses and can be > cached for general improvements on the whole site. (We're seeing > load-time improvement from 50% - 300%

Re: Pre-fetch rough draft

2012-10-30 Thread Julian Reschke
On 2012-10-30 11:44, Yuval Sadan wrote: Adding another "well-known location" may cause (yet another) 404 error for sites lacking this file, similar to favicon.ico. Plus it takes up URL space. I suggest that if such a file is used, it should not be in a "well-known location" but a site specific lo

Re: Pre-fetch rough draft

2012-10-30 Thread Julian Reschke
On 2012-10-30 11:31, Brady Eidson wrote: On Oct 30, 2012, at 11:19 AM, Julian Reschke wrote: On 2012-10-30 10:57, Anne van Kesteren wrote: On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 10:46 AM, Florian Bösch wrote: The specification states that "Prefetch requests must not include cookies." which is not an effe

Re: Pre-fetch rough draft

2012-10-30 Thread Yuval Sadan
Adding another "well-known location" may cause (yet another) 404 error for sites lacking this file, similar to favicon.ico. Plus it takes up URL space. I suggest that if such a file is used, it should not be in a "well-known location" but a site specific location that can be specified by an HTTP he

Re: Pre-fetch rough draft

2012-10-30 Thread Julian Reschke
On 2012-10-30 10:57, Anne van Kesteren wrote: On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 10:46 AM, Florian Bösch wrote: The specification states that "Prefetch requests must not include cookies." which is not an effective measure to prevent user profiling. I suspect it's to reduce the size of the request. ->

Re: Pre-fetch rough draft

2012-10-30 Thread Florian Bösch
It's also a little unclear to me how prefetch improves the html manifest or how they compare. It seems as if prefetch does pretty much the same as the manifest except that it distributes fetching of the actual resources out over time that the user might not be visiting a site. Wouldn't it make more

Re: Pre-fetch rough draft

2012-10-30 Thread Julian Reschke
On 2012-10-30 10:22, Charles McCathieNevile wrote: Hi, I mentioned this and it's somethign we are working on. Basic idea: site provides list of resources that it uses and can be cached for general improvements on the whole site. (We're seeing load-time improvement from 50% - 300% in our testing

Re: Pre-fetch rough draft

2012-10-30 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 10:46 AM, Florian Bösch wrote: > The specification states that "Prefetch requests must not include > cookies." which is not an effective measure to prevent user profiling. I suspect it's to reduce the size of the request. -- http://annevankesteren.nl/

Re: Pre-fetch rough draft

2012-10-30 Thread Florian Bösch
The specification states that "Prefetch requests must not include cookies." which is not an effective measure to prevent user profiling. For instance somebody could auto generate the prefetch.txt tailored to the user to fetch URLs like to http://somedomain.com/whatever?userID=1358f2d55b34fb581fd547

Pre-fetch rough draft

2012-10-30 Thread Charles McCathieNevile
Hi, I mentioned this and it's somethign we are working on. Basic idea: site provides list of resources that it uses and can be cached for general improvements on the whole site. (We're seeing load-time improvement from 50% - 300% in our testing. We are using it on sites - mail.yandex.ru/pr