RE: [Web Components] Editor for Custom Elements

[Domenic Denicola]

From: Philippe Le Hegaret [mailto:p...@w3.org] 

> But I hope you realize that coming in the W3C community, working with them 
> for while, and then take things away to continue the work elsewhere is 
> received as not working in good faith with the W3C community. This is not a 
> judgment of whether it was the right technical decision to do or not but 
> rather a pure social judgment. People in W3C working groups don't expect to 
> be told to go somewhere else after they contributed for a while. Now, if 
> you're interested in figuring out a way to solve this, I'm sure plenty of 
> folks in the W3C community, myself included, would be interested in finding a 
> way.

Yeah, I agree it is socially awkward that this work on a monkeypatch spec was 
started outside the standards community whose specs it was monkeypatching. That 
was in fact one of the original impetuses for Anne's famous "Monkey patch" 
post. [1] Given that as a starting point for this effort, this move was an 
inevitable outcome---as we've already seen with , the first 
successful web components spec.

Setting aside the social judgement, from a technical point of view the path is 
clear. So although I regret the social downsides, it's unavoidable that if we 
want to as a larger community produce technically excellent specifications, we 
need to be able to accept this social issue and continue with the work of 
making the web platform better, without territorial concerns.

[1]: https://annevankesteren.nl/2014/02/monkey-patch

Re: [Web Components] Editor for Custom Elements

[Philippe Le Hegaret]

On 04/06/2016 03:34 PM, Domenic Denicola wrote:

From: Léonie Watson [mailto:t...@tink.uk]


Domenic Denicola briefly stepped into the role, but regretfully he has since
declined to work within the W3C community [2].


That is not at all an accurate description of what has happened. I've very much enjoyed 
working with the W3C community on the w3c/webcomponents issue tracker, and think the 
collaboration there has been a success. It was a very helpful "incubation 
phase" for custom elements.


I do believe that the W3C community enjoyed working with you as well. I 
certainly did at the last Web components f2f meeting.


But I hope you realize that coming in the W3C community, working with 
them for while, and then take things away to continue the work elsewhere 
is received as not working in good faith with the W3C community. This is 
not a judgment of whether it was the right technical decision to do or 
not but rather a pure social judgment. People in W3C working groups 
don't expect to be told to go somewhere else after they contributed for 
a while. Now, if you're interested in figuring out a way to solve this, 
I'm sure plenty of folks in the W3C community, myself included, would be 
interested in finding a way.


Philippe

RE: [Web Components] Editor for Custom Elements

[Domenic Denicola]

From: Léonie Watson [mailto:t...@tink.uk]

> Domenic Denicola briefly stepped into the role, but regretfully he has since
> declined to work within the W3C community [2].

That is not at all an accurate description of what has happened. I've very much 
enjoyed working with the W3C community on the w3c/webcomponents issue tracker, 
and think the collaboration there has been a success. It was a very helpful 
"incubation phase" for custom elements.

Now that the incubation is largely complete, they can graduate to the HTML and 
DOM Standards, like was done with  before. 

I intend to continue editing custom elements, in the upstream standards that 
the concepts patch. The first half of this effort is 
https://github.com/whatwg/dom/pull/204, and the second half will follow later 
today on https://github.com/whatwg/html. I hope I will continue to be welcome 
in the W3C community, and especially the issue tracker at 
https://github.com/w3c/webcomponents/issues, where several remaining ideas are 
still being incubated.

Re: [Web Components] Editor for Custom Elements

[Anne van Kesteren]

On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 9:17 PM, Léonie Watson  wrote:
> Which means we're looking for someone (or more than one someone) to edit
> Custom Elements. Web Components are a key part of the Web Platform, so it's
> an interesting time to be part of the group working on Custom Elements (and
> Shadow DOM).

Given that both these specifications are effectively monkey patches
for the DOM and HTML Standards, and Domenic plans on updating those
for Custom Elements, what's the point?


-- 
https://annevankesteren.nl/