Re: [editing] CommandEvent and contentEditable=minimal Explainer

2014-06-23 Thread Robin Berjon
On 17/06/2014 02:39 , Julie Parent wrote: I certainly understand the concern that it would be impossible to properly catch and cancel all events. But I think that is somewhat the point - it forces browser vendors to get these parts right. All changes to an editable dom must fire an event before

Re: [editing] CommandEvent and contentEditable=minimal Explainer

2014-06-20 Thread Ryosuke Niwa
On Jun 17, 2014, at 9:00 AM, Piotr Koszuliński wrote: > > On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 2:39 AM, Julie Parent wrote: > I certainly understand the concern that it would be impossible to properly > catch and cancel all events. > > I'm not concerned only about this. I'm concerned about the fact that

Re: [editing] CommandEvent and contentEditable=minimal Explainer

2014-06-17 Thread Piotr Koszuliński
On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 2:39 AM, Julie Parent wrote: > I certainly understand the concern that it would be impossible to properly > catch and cancel all events. > I'm not concerned only about this. I'm concerned about the fact that currently existing commands and editable-related features does n

Re: [editing] CommandEvent and contentEditable=minimal Explainer

2014-06-16 Thread Julie Parent
I certainly understand the concern that it would be impossible to properly catch and cancel all events. But I think that is somewhat the point - it forces browser vendors to get these parts right. All changes to an editable dom must fire an event before the modifications are made, and must be can

Re: [editing] CommandEvent and contentEditable=minimal Explainer

2014-06-15 Thread Piotr Koszuliński
On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 5:15 AM, Olivier F wrote: > > On Fri, Jun 13, 2014 at 11:37 AM, Ben Peters > wrote: > >> On Fri, Jun 13, 2014 at 1:01 AM, Ryosuke Niwa wrote: >> >> On Jun 12, 2014, at 5:07 PM, Olivier F wrote: >> >> >> Imagine as well a situation where a UA creates a new way to paste >

Re: [editing] CommandEvent and contentEditable=minimal Explainer

2014-06-14 Thread Olivier F
On Fri, Jun 13, 2014 at 11:37 AM, Ben Peters wrote: > On Fri, Jun 13, 2014 at 1:01 AM, Ryosuke Niwa wrote: > >> On Jun 12, 2014, at 5:07 PM, Olivier F wrote: > > >> Imagine as well a situation where a UA creates a new way to paste > content, and to prevent confusion with "paste" they decide to

RE: [editing] CommandEvent and contentEditable=minimal Explainer

2014-06-13 Thread Ben Peters
On Fri, Jun 13, 2014 at 1:01 AM, Ryosuke Niwa wrote: >> On Jun 12, 2014, at 5:07 PM, Olivier F wrote: >> >> I have been reading this and have a comment: >> http://w3c.github.io/editing-explainer/commands-explainer.html >> >> "Issue 11: We may not need contentEditable=minimal. The same thing can b

Re: [editing] CommandEvent and contentEditable=minimal Explainer

2014-06-13 Thread Ryosuke Niwa
On Jun 12, 2014, at 5:07 PM, Olivier F wrote: > I have been reading this and have a comment: > http://w3c.github.io/editing-explainer/commands-explainer.html > > "Issue 11: We may not need contentEditable=minimal. The same thing can be > accomplished by listening for commands and calling preve

Re: [editing] CommandEvent and contentEditable=minimal Explainer

2014-06-12 Thread Olivier F
I have been reading this and have a comment: http://w3c.github.io/editing-explainer/commands-explainer.html "Issue 11: We may not need contentEditable=minimal. The same thing can be accomplished by listening for commands and calling preventDefault on all of them." I think we need contentEditable=

Re: [editing] CommandEvent and contentEditable=minimal Explainer

2014-06-06 Thread Ryosuke Niwa
On Jun 6, 2014, at 6:27 AM, Robin Berjon wrote: > On 28/05/2014 01:39 , Julie Parent wrote: >> The discussion of which minimal default handling to include with >> contenteditable="minimal" makes me wonder if contentEditable="minimal" >> is necessary at all. It quickly becomes a can of worms of

Re: [editing] CommandEvent and contentEditable=minimal Explainer

2014-06-06 Thread Robin Berjon
On 28/05/2014 01:39 , Julie Parent wrote: The discussion of which minimal default handling to include with contenteditable="minimal" makes me wonder if contentEditable="minimal" is necessary at all. It quickly becomes a can of worms of *which* default handling should be included, and it seems li

Re: [editing] CommandEvent and contentEditable=minimal Explainer

2014-05-31 Thread Ryosuke Niwa
a site would want to handle themselves, we don’t > need CE Min as a feature, only a concept that can achieved with > preventDefault(). > > From: Julie Parent [mailto:jpar...@gmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2014 4:40 PM > To: Ben Peters > Cc: public-webapps@

RE: [editing] CommandEvent and contentEditable=minimal Explainer

2014-05-28 Thread Ben Peters
:40 PM To: Ben Peters Cc: Julie Parent; public-webapps@w3.org Subject: Re: [editing] CommandEvent and contentEditable=minimal Explainer But what is the "default" behaviour then? What will we be preventing? There's no accepted specification for current contentEditable=true AFAIK, so

Re: [editing] CommandEvent and contentEditable=minimal Explainer

2014-05-28 Thread Piotr Koszuliński
chieved with > preventDefault(). > > > > *From:* Julie Parent [mailto:jpar...@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 27, 2014 4:40 PM > *To:* Ben Peters > *Cc:* public-webapps@w3.org > *Subject:* Re: [editing] CommandEvent and contentEditable=minimal > Explainer > > >

RE: [editing] CommandEvent and contentEditable=minimal Explainer

2014-05-28 Thread Travis Leithead
gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2014 4:40 PM To: Ben Peters Cc: public-webapps@w3.org<mailto:public-webapps@w3.org> Subject: Re: [editing] CommandEvent and contentEditable=minimal Explainer The discussion of which minimal default handling to include with contenteditable="minimal

RE: [editing] CommandEvent and contentEditable=minimal Explainer

2014-05-28 Thread Ben Peters
: Tuesday, May 27, 2014 4:40 PM To: Ben Peters Cc: public-webapps@w3.org Subject: Re: [editing] CommandEvent and contentEditable=minimal Explainer The discussion of which minimal default handling to include with contenteditable="minimal" makes me wonder if contentEditable="minimal"

Re: [editing] CommandEvent and contentEditable=minimal Explainer

2014-05-27 Thread Julie Parent
The discussion of which minimal default handling to include with contenteditable="minimal" makes me wonder if contentEditable="minimal" is necessary at all. It quickly becomes a can of worms of *which* default handling should be included, and it seems likely to not satisfy every use case no matter