Re: Agenda and logistics...
On Tue, 24 Jun 2008 20:16:46 +0200, Arun Ranganathan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: chaals et al., Yep. I am waiting for people to comment on whether they are happy to roll up about 11 on Tuesday I am happy enough with an 11a.m. start time; I suspect, however, that our discussions will run over a bit, and thus, I think we ought to be prepared for that. I believe that we have a stop time imposed by the venue. And on Thursday, by a couple of people leaving at lunchtime and one not being there at all. cheers Chaals -- Charles McCathieNevile Opera Software, Standards Group je parle français -- hablo español -- jeg lærer norsk http://my.opera.com/chaals Try Opera 9.5: http://snapshot.opera.com
Re: Agenda and logistics...
On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 00:25:56 +0200, Chris Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Charles McCathieNevile wrote: Assuming [Microsoft] have made the patent policy commitment and joined the group by then they are even welcome to take part ;) Just an update - I've filed the paperwork, it's gone through patent review, and it's now in cross-group review for the next two days, after which we just need our VP's signoff. So it should be complete prior to the FTF if not by EOW. Excellent, thanks. Cheers Chaals -- Charles McCathieNevile Opera Software, Standards Group je parle français -- hablo español -- jeg lærer norsk http://my.opera.com/chaals Try Opera 9.5: http://snapshot.opera.com
Re: Agenda and logistics...
Maciej Stachowiak wrote: Hi folks, the agenda and logistics page for the meeting will be shortly available to working group members (Sunava, can you please ask your AC rep to ensure that you guys have joined by the time we have the meeting?). I would like to request an additional agenda item. There is already a block of time for discussing Microsoft's feedback on XHR2+AC. I would like to request a separate block of time for discussion among those looking to implement or use XHR2+AC, so that we can come to rough consensus on the key remaining open issues. Since Microsoft has announced that they plan to stick with XDR (http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2008/06/23/securing-cross-site-xmlhttprequest.aspx), I assume they are not interested in being part of this consensus. But I still think we need to have this item on the agenda, and of course representatives from Microsoft are welcome to observe this discussion. I would actually hope that microsoft wants to take part in the consensus building too as I hope that future versions of IE will implement Access-Control, or at least parts of it. Though that discussion would probably be better done in the context of the general discussion on microsofts feedback. Perhaps we could devote a day or half day to this topic, rather than devoting 2 days to XHR1 issues. Perhaps (given Microsoft's request) we can discuss Microsoft's feedback on Tuesday, XHR2+AC issues on Wednesday, and XHR1 issues on Thursday. This agenda sounds great. Me and Arun are leaving on a 3:27 flight out of Seattle on Thursday so having a full day to devote to Access-Control would be really great. Getting consensus on Access-Control is of utmost importance to us and we have a really tight schedule for it. / Jonas
RE: Agenda and logistics...
Maciej Stachowiak wrote: I would like to request a separate block of time for discussion among those looking to implement or use XHR2+AC, so that we can come to rough consensus on the key remaining open issues. Since Microsoft has announced that they plan to stick with XDR (http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2008/06/23/securing-cross-site... -xmlhttprequest.aspx), I assume they are not interested in being part of this consensus. But I still think we need to have this item on the agenda, and of course representatives from Microsoft are welcome to observe this discussion. Microsoft plans to stick with XDR (and therefore assuming they are not interested in XHR2+AC discussion) is not an appropriate characterization, Maciej. We have clearly stated we intend to ship XDR in IE8, yes. We've also clearly stated that we intend to continue to participate in the XHR2+AC design, as we have some hope it can be improved to address our security concerns (as per my email on the subject to the public list, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapi/2008May/0103.html: last para, We will of course continue to participate in the Web API WG's work on cross-domain access, and I hope that work can be made secure to our satisfaction (and therefore implementable in IE); ). With XHR2+AC implementations in progress in the WebKit and Gecko engines, we need to make sure that we are on track to deliver a secure and interoperable solution in upcoming releases. Indeed. Perhaps (given Microsoft's request) we can discuss Microsoft's feedback on Tuesday, XHR2+AC issues on Wednesday, and XHR1 issues on Thursday. That would be ideal, from my perspective; I will not be attending on Thursday, as I'm heading out of town for the July 4 holiday. -Chris
Re: Agenda and logistics...
chaals et al., Yep. I am waiting for people to comment on whether they are happy to roll up about 11 on Tuesday I am happy enough with an 11a.m. start time; I suspect, however, that our discussions will run over a bit, and thus, I think we ought to be prepared for that. -- A*
Re: Agenda and logistics...
Arun Ranganathan wrote: chaals et al., Yep. I am waiting for people to comment on whether they are happy to roll up about 11 on Tuesday I am happy enough with an 11a.m. start time; I suspect, however, that our discussions will run over a bit, and thus, I think we ought to be prepared for that. Same here / Jonas
RE: Agenda and logistics...
Charles McCathieNevile wrote: Assuming [Microsoft] have made the patent policy commitment and joined the group by then they are even welcome to take part ;) Just an update - I've filed the paperwork, it's gone through patent review, and it's now in cross-group review for the next two days, after which we just need our VP's signoff. So it should be complete prior to the FTF if not by EOW. -Chris
RE: Agenda and logistics...
I noticed a number of people are flying out on the 3rd. If the 2nd is a better alternative for dinner please let Chris and I know. Thanks! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:public-webapps- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sunava Dutta Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 4:22 PM To: Charles McCathieNevile; Webapps; Chris Wilson Subject: RE: Agenda and logistics... Thanks for the info. Chris is working on getting us signed up before the meeting! Meanwhile, I'm fine with a Tues noon start. I've also requested we discuss our feedback on AC on Tuesday as Eric, our security PM is out of office Wed and Thursday. Let me know what we finally decide on both topics. Meanwhile, may I suggest we have a solid dinner to mark the end of the F2F and the July 4th weekend courtesy the IE team? (I can personally vouch for the place) Here's what I propose, let me know if there's anything else attendees would prefer? http://www.maggianos.com/foodbeverage/default.asp?menu=Family%20Style%2 0Dinner -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:public-webapps- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles McCathieNevile Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 11:24 AM To: Webapps Cc: Sunava Dutta Subject: Agenda and logistics... Hi folks, the agenda and logistics page for the meeting will be shortly available to working group members (Sunava, can you please ask your AC rep to ensure that you guys have joined by the time we have the meeting?). I have one question - although I am the chair, and the co-chair is not going to be available for this meeting, I am unable to be there for the first morning since I will be taking a horror flight from Boston and arriving at SEA-TAC just after 10am inshallah. I am equally happy to have someone else chair the meeting in my absence (that's something we expect Staff contacts to be able to do...) or to postpone the start until lunchtime, depending on how people feel. The agenda for the meeting is pretty basic, covering XHR1 and XHR2 with Access Control, and the issues raised in MS' review of XHR2. Hopefully Mike will manage the right W3C mojo soon and announce the page with the information. Cheers Chaals -- Charles McCathieNevile Opera Software, Standards Group je parle français -- hablo español -- jeg lærer norsk http://my.opera.com/chaals Try Opera 9.5: http://snapshot.opera.com
Re: Agenda and logistics...
Hi Sunava, @2008-06-24 15:51 -0700: I noticed a number of people are flying out on the 3rd. If the 2nd is a better alternative for dinner please let Chris and I know. Seems like the 2nd is probably better if we want to make it likely for more people to attend. So maybe we should go ahead and plan on the 2nd if that works for you guys. --Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:public-webapps- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sunava Dutta Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 4:22 PM To: Charles McCathieNevile; Webapps; Chris Wilson Subject: RE: Agenda and logistics... Thanks for the info. Chris is working on getting us signed up before the meeting! Meanwhile, I'm fine with a Tues noon start. I've also requested we discuss our feedback on AC on Tuesday as Eric, our security PM is out of office Wed and Thursday. Let me know what we finally decide on both topics. Meanwhile, may I suggest we have a solid dinner to mark the end of the F2F and the July 4th weekend courtesy the IE team? (I can personally vouch for the place) Here's what I propose, let me know if there's anything else attendees would prefer? http://www.maggianos.com/foodbeverage/default.asp?menu=Family%20Style%2 0Dinner -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:public-webapps- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles McCathieNevile Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 11:24 AM To: Webapps Cc: Sunava Dutta Subject: Agenda and logistics... Hi folks, the agenda and logistics page for the meeting will be shortly available to working group members (Sunava, can you please ask your AC rep to ensure that you guys have joined by the time we have the meeting?). I have one question - although I am the chair, and the co-chair is not going to be available for this meeting, I am unable to be there for the first morning since I will be taking a horror flight from Boston and arriving at SEA-TAC just after 10am inshallah. I am equally happy to have someone else chair the meeting in my absence (that's something we expect Staff contacts to be able to do...) or to postpone the start until lunchtime, depending on how people feel. The agenda for the meeting is pretty basic, covering XHR1 and XHR2 with Access Control, and the issues raised in MS' review of XHR2. Hopefully Mike will manage the right W3C mojo soon and announce the page with the information. Cheers Chaals -- Michael(tm) Smith http://people.w3.org/mike/ http://sideshowbarker.net/ smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature
RE: Agenda and logistics...
Sure. 2nd it is. -Original Message- From: Michael(tm) Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 5:38 PM To: Sunava Dutta Cc: Charles McCathieNevile; Webapps; Chris Wilson Subject: Re: Agenda and logistics... Hi Sunava, @2008-06-24 15:51 -0700: I noticed a number of people are flying out on the 3rd. If the 2nd is a better alternative for dinner please let Chris and I know. Seems like the 2nd is probably better if we want to make it likely for more people to attend. So maybe we should go ahead and plan on the 2nd if that works for you guys. --Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:public-webapps- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sunava Dutta Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 4:22 PM To: Charles McCathieNevile; Webapps; Chris Wilson Subject: RE: Agenda and logistics... Thanks for the info. Chris is working on getting us signed up before the meeting! Meanwhile, I'm fine with a Tues noon start. I've also requested we discuss our feedback on AC on Tuesday as Eric, our security PM is out of office Wed and Thursday. Let me know what we finally decide on both topics. Meanwhile, may I suggest we have a solid dinner to mark the end of the F2F and the July 4th weekend courtesy the IE team? (I can personally vouch for the place) Here's what I propose, let me know if there's anything else attendees would prefer? http://www.maggianos.com/foodbeverage/default.asp?menu=Family%20Style%2 0Dinner -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:public-webapps- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles McCathieNevile Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 11:24 AM To: Webapps Cc: Sunava Dutta Subject: Agenda and logistics... Hi folks, the agenda and logistics page for the meeting will be shortly available to working group members (Sunava, can you please ask your AC rep to ensure that you guys have joined by the time we have the meeting?). I have one question - although I am the chair, and the co-chair is not going to be available for this meeting, I am unable to be there for the first morning since I will be taking a horror flight from Boston and arriving at SEA-TAC just after 10am inshallah. I am equally happy to have someone else chair the meeting in my absence (that's something we expect Staff contacts to be able to do...) or to postpone the start until lunchtime, depending on how people feel. The agenda for the meeting is pretty basic, covering XHR1 and XHR2 with Access Control, and the issues raised in MS' review of XHR2. Hopefully Mike will manage the right W3C mojo soon and announce the page with the information. Cheers Chaals -- Michael(tm) Smith http://people.w3.org/mike/ http://sideshowbarker.net/
RE: Agenda and logistics...
I am fine with the first meeting starting after lunchtime. It gives us a chance to chat with members and mingle before we get down to the meat and potatoes! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:public-webapps- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles McCathieNevile Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 11:24 AM To: Webapps Cc: Sunava Dutta Subject: Agenda and logistics... Hi folks, the agenda and logistics page for the meeting will be shortly available to working group members (Sunava, can you please ask your AC rep to ensure that you guys have joined by the time we have the meeting?). I have one question - although I am the chair, and the co-chair is not going to be available for this meeting, I am unable to be there for the first morning since I will be taking a horror flight from Boston and arriving at SEA-TAC just after 10am inshallah. I am equally happy to have someone else chair the meeting in my absence (that's something we expect Staff contacts to be able to do...) or to postpone the start until lunchtime, depending on how people feel. The agenda for the meeting is pretty basic, covering XHR1 and XHR2 with Access Control, and the issues raised in MS' review of XHR2. Hopefully Mike will manage the right W3C mojo soon and announce the page with the information. Cheers Chaals -- Charles McCathieNevile Opera Software, Standards Group je parle français -- hablo español -- jeg lærer norsk http://my.opera.com/chaals Try Opera 9.5: http://snapshot.opera.com
RE: Agenda and logistics...
Thanks for the info. Chris is working on getting us signed up before the meeting! Meanwhile, I'm fine with a Tues noon start. I've also requested we discuss our feedback on AC on Tuesday as Eric, our security PM is out of office Wed and Thursday. Let me know what we finally decide on both topics. Meanwhile, may I suggest we have a solid dinner to mark the end of the F2F and the July 4th weekend courtesy the IE team? (I can personally vouch for the place) Here's what I propose, let me know if there's anything else attendees would prefer? http://www.maggianos.com/foodbeverage/default.asp?menu=Family%20Style%20Dinner -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:public-webapps- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles McCathieNevile Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 11:24 AM To: Webapps Cc: Sunava Dutta Subject: Agenda and logistics... Hi folks, the agenda and logistics page for the meeting will be shortly available to working group members (Sunava, can you please ask your AC rep to ensure that you guys have joined by the time we have the meeting?). I have one question - although I am the chair, and the co-chair is not going to be available for this meeting, I am unable to be there for the first morning since I will be taking a horror flight from Boston and arriving at SEA-TAC just after 10am inshallah. I am equally happy to have someone else chair the meeting in my absence (that's something we expect Staff contacts to be able to do...) or to postpone the start until lunchtime, depending on how people feel. The agenda for the meeting is pretty basic, covering XHR1 and XHR2 with Access Control, and the issues raised in MS' review of XHR2. Hopefully Mike will manage the right W3C mojo soon and announce the page with the information. Cheers Chaals -- Charles McCathieNevile Opera Software, Standards Group je parle français -- hablo español -- jeg lærer norsk http://my.opera.com/chaals Try Opera 9.5: http://snapshot.opera.com
RE: Agenda and logistics...
The meeting says Tuesday through Thursday 24th - 26 June 2008 in the Overview section. I just had a heart attack till I realized that's probably (keeping fingers crossed) a mistake?? -:) -Original Message- From: Michael(tm) Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 11:48 AM To: Webapps Cc: Charles McCathieNevile; Sunava Dutta Subject: Re: Agenda and logistics... The meeting page is now online and member visible: http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/Group/f2f0807.html Charles McCathieNevile [EMAIL PROTECTED], 2008-06-23 20:23 +0200: Hi folks, the agenda and logistics page for the meeting will be shortly available to working group members (Sunava, can you please ask your AC rep to ensure that you guys have joined by the time we have the meeting?). I have one question - although I am the chair, and the co-chair is not going to be available for this meeting, I am unable to be there for the first morning since I will be taking a horror flight from Boston and arriving at SEA-TAC just after 10am inshallah. I am equally happy to have someone else chair the meeting in my absence (that's something we expect Staff contacts to be able to do...) or to postpone the start until lunchtime, depending on how people feel. The agenda for the meeting is pretty basic, covering XHR1 and XHR2 with Access Control, and the issues raised in MS' review of XHR2. Hopefully Mike will manage the right W3C mojo soon and announce the page with the information. Cheers Chaals -- Michael(tm) Smith http://people.w3.org/mike/ http://sideshowbarker.net/
Re: Agenda and logistics...
On Jun 23, 2008, at 11:23 AM, Charles McCathieNevile wrote: Hi folks, the agenda and logistics page for the meeting will be shortly available to working group members (Sunava, can you please ask your AC rep to ensure that you guys have joined by the time we have the meeting?). I would like to request an additional agenda item. There is already a block of time for discussing Microsoft's feedback on XHR2+AC. I would like to request a separate block of time for discussion among those looking to implement or use XHR2+AC, so that we can come to rough consensus on the key remaining open issues. Since Microsoft has announced that they plan to stick with XDR (http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2008/06/23/securing-cross-site-xmlhttprequest.aspx ), I assume they are not interested in being part of this consensus. But I still think we need to have this item on the agenda, and of course representatives from Microsoft are welcome to observe this discussion. With XHR2+AC implementations in progress in the WebKit and Gecko engines, we need to make sure that we are on track to deliver a secure and interoperable solution in upcoming releases. Perhaps we could devote a day or half day to this topic, rather than devoting 2 days to XHR1 issues. Perhaps (given Microsoft's request) we can discuss Microsoft's feedback on Tuesday, XHR2+AC issues on Wednesday, and XHR1 issues on Thursday. Regards, Maciej
Re: Agenda and logistics...
Hi, Folks- Fixed. Sunava, you can put away the heart meds. :) -Doug Charles McCathieNevile wrote (on 6/24/08 12:10 AM): On Tue, 24 Jun 2008 01:30:39 +0200, Sunava Dutta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The meeting says Tuesday through Thursday 24th - 26 June 2008 in the Overview section. I just had a heart attack till I realized that's probably (keeping fingers crossed) a mistake?? -:) Oops, sorry. It is indeed. I thought I had got all of those dates (there were half a dozen) changed. I'll fix and send mike a new version to post... -Original Message- From: Michael(tm) Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ... The meeting page is now online and member visible: http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/Group/f2f0807.html
Re: Agenda and logistics...
On Tue, 24 Jun 2008 03:43:38 +0200, Maciej Stachowiak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 23, 2008, at 11:23 AM, Charles McCathieNevile wrote: Hi folks, the agenda and logistics page for the meeting will be shortly available to working group members (Sunava, can you please ask your AC rep to ensure that you guys have joined by the time we have the meeting?). I would like to request an additional agenda item. There is already a block of time for discussing Microsoft's feedback on XHR2+AC. I would like to request a separate block of time for discussion among those looking to implement or use XHR2+AC, so that we can come to rough consensus on the key remaining open issues. Sorry, I wasn't that clear, but that is what I meant in the agenda on day 3, by XHR specs. Since Microsoft has announced that they plan to stick with XDR (http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2008/06/23/securing-cross-site-xmlhttprequest.aspx ), I assume they are not interested in being part of this consensus. But I still think we need to have this item on the agenda, and of course representatives from Microsoft are welcome to observe this discussion. Assuming they have made the patent policy commitment and joined the group by then they are even welcome to take part ;) Perhaps we could devote a day or half day to this topic, rather than devoting 2 days to XHR1 issues. Perhaps (given Microsoft's request) we can discuss Microsoft's feedback on Tuesday, XHR2+AC issues on Wednesday, and XHR1 issues on Thursday. Yep. I am waiting for people to comment on whether they are happy to roll up about 11 on Tuesday, or would prefer to have the meeting start early without me - I am happy either way, but so far only Sunava has actually made a clear statement so I am looking for a couple more concrete answers - then I will update the agenda properly too. cheers Chaals -- Charles McCathieNevile Opera Software, Standards Group je parle français -- hablo español -- jeg lærer norsk http://my.opera.com/chaals Try Opera 9.5: http://snapshot.opera.com
