Re: Transferable and structured clones, was: Re: [FileAPI] Deterministic release of Blob proposal

2012-03-07 Thread Kenneth Russell
On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 6:29 PM, Glenn Maynard gl...@zewt.org wrote: On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 4:24 PM, Michael Nordman micha...@google.com wrote: You can always call close() yourself, but Blob.close() should use the neuter mechanism already there, not make up a new one. Blobs aren't

Re: Transferable and structured clones, was: Re: [FileAPI] Deterministic release of Blob proposal

2012-03-07 Thread Eric U
On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 11:38 AM, Kenneth Russell k...@google.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 6:29 PM, Glenn Maynard gl...@zewt.org wrote: On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 4:24 PM, Michael Nordman micha...@google.com wrote: You can always call close() yourself, but Blob.close() should use the neuter

Re: Transferable and structured clones, was: Re: [FileAPI] Deterministic release of Blob proposal

2012-03-07 Thread Charles Pritchard
On Mar 7, 2012, at 11:38 AM, Kenneth Russell k...@google.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 6:29 PM, Glenn Maynard gl...@zewt.org wrote: On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 4:24 PM, Michael Nordman micha...@google.com wrote: You can always call close() yourself, but Blob.close() should use the neuter

Re: Transferable and structured clones, was: Re: [FileAPI] Deterministic release of Blob proposal

2012-03-07 Thread Greg Billock
On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 1:18 PM, Kenneth Russell k...@google.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 12:04 PM, Greg Billock gbill...@google.com wrote: On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 6:46 PM, Charles Pritchard ch...@jumis.com wrote: On 3/5/2012 5:56 PM, Glenn Maynard wrote: On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 7:04 PM,

Re: Transferable and structured clones, was: Re: [FileAPI] Deterministic release of Blob proposal

2012-03-07 Thread Kenneth Russell
On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 12:02 PM, Charles Pritchard ch...@jumis.com wrote: On Mar 7, 2012, at 11:38 AM, Kenneth Russell k...@google.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 6:29 PM, Glenn Maynard gl...@zewt.org wrote: On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 4:24 PM, Michael Nordman micha...@google.com wrote: You

Re: Transferable and structured clones, was: Re: [FileAPI] Deterministic release of Blob proposal

2012-03-07 Thread Charles Pritchard
On 3/7/12 12:34 PM, Kenneth Russell wrote: On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 12:02 PM, Charles Pritchardch...@jumis.com wrote: On Mar 7, 2012, at 11:38 AM, Kenneth Russellk...@google.com wrote: I believe that we should fix the immediate problem and add a close() method to Blob. I'm not in favor of

Re: Transferable and structured clones, was: Re: [FileAPI] Deterministic release of Blob proposal

2012-03-07 Thread Kenneth Russell
On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 1:00 PM, Charles Pritchard ch...@jumis.com wrote: On 3/7/12 12:34 PM, Kenneth Russell wrote: On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 12:02 PM, Charles Pritchardch...@jumis.com  wrote: On Mar 7, 2012, at 11:38 AM, Kenneth Russellk...@google.com  wrote: I believe that we should fix the

Re: Transferable and structured clones, was: Re: [FileAPI] Deterministic release of Blob proposal

2012-03-06 Thread Greg Billock
On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 6:46 PM, Charles Pritchard ch...@jumis.com wrote: On 3/5/2012 5:56 PM, Glenn Maynard wrote: On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 7:04 PM, Charles Pritchard ch...@jumis.com wrote: Do you see old behavior working something like the following? var blob = new Blob(my new big blob);

Re: Transferable and structured clones, was: Re: [FileAPI] Deterministic release of Blob proposal

2012-03-06 Thread Kenneth Russell
On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 12:04 PM, Greg Billock gbill...@google.com wrote: On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 6:46 PM, Charles Pritchard ch...@jumis.com wrote: On 3/5/2012 5:56 PM, Glenn Maynard wrote: On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 7:04 PM, Charles Pritchard ch...@jumis.com wrote: Do you see old behavior working

Re: Transferable and structured clones, was: Re: [FileAPI] Deterministic release of Blob proposal

2012-03-06 Thread Arun Ranganathan
Ken, I'm not sure that adding close() to Transferable is a good idea. Not all Transferable types may want to support that explicit operation. What about adding close() to Blob, and having the neutering operation on Blob be defined to call close() on it? Specifically, you think this is not

Re: Transferable and structured clones, was: Re: [FileAPI] Deterministic release of Blob proposal

2012-03-06 Thread Michael Nordman
Sounds like there's a good case for an explicit blob.close() method independent of 'transferable'. Separately defining blobs to be transferrable feels like an unneeded complexity. A caller wishing to neuter after sending can explicit call .close() rather than relying on more obscure artifacts of

Re: Transferable and structured clones, was: Re: [FileAPI] Deterministic release of Blob proposal

2012-03-06 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 3:18 PM, Kenneth Russell k...@google.com wrote: A change like this would be feasible as long as it doesn't break compatibility. In other words, the current Transferable array would still need to be supported, but Transferable instances (or perhaps instances of some other

Re: Transferable and structured clones, was: Re: [FileAPI] Deterministic release of Blob proposal

2012-03-06 Thread Michael Nordman
Separately defining blobs to be transferrable feels like an unneeded complexity. A caller wishing to neuter after sending can explicit call .close() rather than relying on more obscure artifacts of having also put the 'blob' in a 'transferrable' array. You can always call close() yourself,

Re: Transferable and structured clones, was: Re: [FileAPI] Deterministic release of Blob proposal

2012-03-06 Thread Kenneth Russell
On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 1:31 PM, Arun Ranganathan aranganat...@mozilla.com wrote: Ken, I'm not sure that adding close() to Transferable is a good idea. Not all Transferable types may want to support that explicit operation. What about adding close() to Blob, and having the neutering operation

Re: Transferable and structured clones, was: Re: [FileAPI] Deterministic release of Blob proposal

2012-03-06 Thread Charles Pritchard
On Mar 6, 2012, at 2:25 PM, Kenneth Russell k...@google.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 1:31 PM, Arun Ranganathan aranganat...@mozilla.com wrote: Ken, I'm not sure that adding close() to Transferable is a good idea. Not all Transferable types may want to support that explicit operation.

RE: Transferable and structured clones, was: Re: [FileAPI] Deterministic release of Blob proposal

2012-03-06 Thread Feras Moussa
clones, was: Re: [FileAPI] Deterministic release of Blob proposal Ken, I'm not sure that adding close() to Transferable is a good idea. Not all Transferable types may want to support that explicit operation. What about adding close() to Blob, and having the neutering operation on Blob

Re: Transferable and structured clones, was: Re: [FileAPI] Deterministic release of Blob proposal

2012-03-06 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 4:24 PM, Michael Nordman micha...@google.com wrote: You can always call close() yourself, but Blob.close() should use the neuter mechanism already there, not make up a new one. Blobs aren't transferable, there is no existing mechanism that applies to them. Adding a