Re: publishing new WD of URL spec

2014-09-11 Thread Glenn Adams
On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 2:20 PM, Robin Berjon wrote: > On 11/09/2014 00:14 , Glenn Adams wrote: > >> WHATWG specs are not legitimate for reference by W3C specs. Their IPR >> status is indeterminate and they do not follow a consensus process. >> > > This is blatant trolling as well as factually wr

Re: publishing new WD of URL spec

2014-09-11 Thread Robin Berjon
Hi Domenic, I agree with everything that you have said. I would like to follow your lead in offering a way forward towards a resolution here. Before I dive into the details, however, I would like to offer a mode of work. We can talk and talk and talk about the details until we're all blue i

Re: publishing new WD of URL spec

2014-09-11 Thread Robin Berjon
On 11/09/2014 00:14 , Glenn Adams wrote: WHATWG specs are not legitimate for reference by W3C specs. Their IPR status is indeterminate and they do not follow a consensus process. This is blatant trolling as well as factually wrong in every single statement that it makes. I would invite all o

Re: publishing new WD of URL spec

2014-09-10 Thread James Salsman
It could be worse! After 15 years and a handful of vendor implementations over the years, neither W3C nor WHATWG have simple microphone upload in forms. There's http://dev.w3.org/2009/dap/camera/ of course, which has been almost there since around 2007, but still doesn't say what "capture control

Re: publishing new WD of URL spec

2014-09-10 Thread Boris Zbarsky
On 9/10/14, 6:14 PM, Glenn Adams wrote: and they do not follow a consensus process. Glenn, with all due respect, neither do many W3C specifications. Case in point is http://www.w3.org/TR/navigation-timing/ which managed to get to REC while ignoring feedback that pointed out that not a single

Re: publishing new WD of URL spec

2014-09-10 Thread James Robinson
(public-webapps and www-tag to bcc, +cc public-w3cproc...@w3.org. sorry about the earlier mistake) On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 4:26 PM, Glenn Adams wrote: > > On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 12:27 AM, James Robinson > wrote: > >> On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 3:14 PM, Glenn Adams wrote: >> >>> WHATWG specs are

Re: publishing new WD of URL spec

2014-09-10 Thread Glenn Adams
On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 12:27 AM, James Robinson wrote: > On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 3:14 PM, Glenn Adams wrote: > >> WHATWG specs are not legitimate for reference by W3C specs. >> > > Do you have a citation to back up this claim? > If it isn't obvious, I am stating my opinion regarding the matter

RE: publishing new WD of URL spec

2014-09-10 Thread Domenic Denicola
, September 11, 2014 00:28 To: Glenn Adams Cc: Domenic Denicola; Arthur Barstow; public-webapps; www-...@w3.org Subject: Re: publishing new WD of URL spec On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 3:14 PM, Glenn Adams mailto:gl...@skynav.com>> wrote: WHATWG specs are not legitimate for reference by W3C specs. Do yo

Re: publishing new WD of URL spec

2014-09-10 Thread James Robinson
On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 3:14 PM, Glenn Adams wrote: > WHATWG specs are not legitimate for reference by W3C specs. > Do you have a citation to back up this claim? > Their IPR status is indeterminate and they do not follow a consensus > process. > Do you have citations for where this is listed

Re: publishing new WD of URL spec

2014-09-10 Thread Glenn Adams
WHATWG specs are not legitimate for reference by W3C specs. Their IPR status is indeterminate and they do not follow a consensus process. On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 11:58 PM, Domenic Denicola < dome...@domenicdenicola.com> wrote: > This is a formal objection to the publication of this specification.

RE: publishing new WD of URL spec

2014-09-10 Thread Domenic Denicola
This is a formal objection to the publication of this specification. My arguments against publishing this specification include that copying the spec from the WHATWG is an unnecessarily combative way of working with another standards body, especially with regard to the URL Standard wherein we/th